Christianity is too far into its own myth to turn back??
Debate Rounds (3)
The new testament was written using the old as a basis thus open to the same criticism. Yet many people take the bible as literal as opposed to anecdotal. Thanks for reading those that did.
But, can you clarify what you mean to debate, exactly? As I understand it, you are trying to argue that the OT and NT are simply Christian-myth, right? ... So, you want me arguing that Christianity is not myth AND has relevance? I am confused by the "too far into its own myth to turn back??" bit, so that's why I was wondering if you meant "relevant" ... clarify please and lets go ...
Thanks again for posting. I look forward to ... converting you (jokingly ... a little) ... :P
I have a car. Did that come from nothing? Nope. It came from a FACTORY.
I have a computer. Did that come from nothing? No. It came from JAPAN!
I have a headache? Did that come from nothing? Again, the answer is NO. The synergies in my brain have been inflamed because of the change in air pressure in my northern climate; THE INFLUX RESULTS IN MY HEADACHE. So, it is JUST as Mythical to say that SOMETHING came from NOTHING as it is for a CHRISTIAN to say that his SOMETHING came from G-d. You believe in a mythical start to this whole thing JUST AS I believe in a mythical start that G-d created it all. So what?!?!? That argument is nothing.
I conceded your second gripe: "the church adapts it's camouflage as times change."
But again, this is groundless and without merit.
This is normal humanity.
I. Look at girls; don't they camouflage themselves? Do you really think they ALL like wearing black leggings, micro skirts, or this fashion or that? or modern haircuts in a particular style? They do NOT. The TRUTH is, they are human, and they Adapt. It may not be right, but it is human, nonetheless.
II. Consider guys. Why do you think we LOOK like the men we respect (hair styles, fashion, nike shoes, skinny jeans, etc.)? Swooped over hair. Slang and coined phrases... Why do you think we talk like the men we want to be like? It is because we camouflage ourselves. Look at yourself? Do you have a style? Do you have slang? Why do you have those? ... ... ...
because you camouflage yourself.
So, if it is hard to confront a few kids in our classrooms, how tough is it for a Church to confront the World? Think on that! The church is run by man. Man is tempted throughout. They bend and break. So yes, the church conforms and at times in error. So what?!?! ... all you have said is that the church is run by man ... and man is weak and feeble. THE SCRIPTURES TOLD YOU THAT ... thousands of years ago.
This does not mean camouflaging ourselves is right. It is not. But it does expend compassion to those who do. We understand why they camouflage themselves because they believe they are worth something and want to be accepted, and we forgive them (as we forgive the church, as Christ forgave us). Do the same to the church. It wants to be accepted. It has values and merit that IT believes should be expressed and heard. If you disallow it, you are as bigoted as the rest of humanity.
The church has error, as anything that is human driven will; yet, it has much to teach us. So expend compassion to the church and let it grow and develop and change with these times. It does not mean it is right (the brazen camouflaging). But it is human. And you can understand that, right? The church is, after all, RUN BY HUMANS.
Your "teachers" taught you evolution. So what!? My "teachers" taught me creationism. My teachers had doctorate degrees from a prestigious universities, (Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc.). Sooooooo WHAT!? " " it makes no difference. Who cares?!? Your teacher graduated here. Mine from there. The point is: it"s all the same! Who cares where my professors graduated from. The point is, there are HOLES in Evolution just as there are HOLES in Creationism. Good luck fleshing those out!
So what?!?!?! " we are bantering back and forth " the Scriptures say over and over again that Man cannot figure out what G-d has hidden. He has hidden the mystery of our beginning.
This means that try as you might, you cannot figure out how we came to be. No man can!
But think on this (and this goes towards proving my point): you are a fascinating human, with the capacity too write, to think, to draw, to reason, to have empathy, to love, to hate, to debate (unsuccessfully :P), " and then, think on this "
We are ALL ALONE on this planet.
If we hop in our spaceship and begin to travel into the cosmos, how long will it take for us to find something concrete? " We will ride on ... and ride on ... and ride on ... and never come to something as precious and as unique as this: our earth, ourselves, our egos, our pathos, our errors, our ambitions. We are a UNIQUE CREATURE in a unique world (and if you try to argue that science has found planets that MAY BE inhabited in 4 MILLION YEARS I will call you out on that crap!). We, despite what science wants to say, are unique. We are one of a kind.
And look on your grandmother"s nightstand. There sits a book. It is full of wisdom (Proverbs) and heart wrenching stories (Christ crucified). And when you test it, apply it in real life, you find that some of the promises therein are true. Then I have to wonder, and this I argue with you: isn't it MORE LIKELY THAN NOT that the rest of it is true as well?
You say my argument of the universe coming from nothing is absurd. I would never put that in the same bracket as, being spoken into existence by an imaginary being, whom we have no evidence of whatsoever. You need to invent a whole other realm for this to work. For mine you simply have to wait for the answer.
The church has had 2000+ years of riding off the back of science ie. We found cures for all sorts of diseases!!! Oh god guided them to the answer.... We invented machines to help with everyday life. God showed them how to do that...... It's all a bit too much like the playground to me, "I made this den." "Yeah well I gave you the idea!"
You named three things there 1.Car 2. Computer 3. Headache. And guess what? Science helped make and diagnose all three. But I'm going to guess you'll say with gods help.
The camouflage that people wear ie. Make-up, hairstyles etc. Is down to evolution. The brains urge to replicate and spread seed, a base primal drive. Or is it creationism??
The bible is so vague and open to interpretation it is risible. It is written that way in order to control the simple people, and to enable it to wriggle out of any difficult questions.
And the last section to do with life in the universe. Using the thinnest of thin edges of the drake equation 1000 civilisations exist. I think the greatest ego in the universe award goes to the theist, who believes that a being capable of creating a universe on a whim, 1. Actually cares about them and built a planet just for them. 2. Didn't go on to make any more civilisations, eco-systems, creations..... And finally 3. The greatest one of all.......... Made us in its image!!!! That sir is the biggest pile of steaming, you know what, I've ever heard. If that doesn't make that side of religion laughable, I cannot argue with someone that gullible!
MattStPaul forfeited this round.
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by Mr.Chorlton 1 year ago
|Agreed with before the debate:||-||-||0 points|
|Agreed with after the debate:||-||-||0 points|
|Who had better conduct:||-||-||1 point|
|Had better spelling and grammar:||-||-||1 point|
|Made more convincing arguments:||-||-||3 points|
|Used the most reliable sources:||-||-||2 points|
|Total points awarded:||1||3|
Reasons for voting decision: Difficult to judge here...neither really argued about the debate title. Although I don't agree with Cons argument it was a better argument than the one put forward by Pro and so picks up the points there. Con was penilased conduct points for forfeiting the last round and it was a tie on the sources points because neither used any.
You are not eligible to vote on this debate
This debate has been configured to only allow voters who meet the requirements set by the debaters. This debate either has an Elo score requirement or is to be voted on by a select panel of judges.