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Christianity is under attack in America

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/16/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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colinc_music

Pro

In America today, Christianity is being removed from television, school, and the internet. The media tends to shorthand Christians, showing only awful things that alleged "Christians" do. I am a Christian, and I will concede that there are simply put, stupid Christians out there. The Westburro Baptist Church is one of the most commonly known churches in America because of their extremist views and constant anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-war rallies. This, however, is not a true representation of Christians. True Christians would not promote hate towards any person or group of people, however, you never hear that from the media because the media hides that. This is because Christianity is indeed under attack in todays day and age.
Ozzyhead

Con

Christianity is not under attack in America. Our currency is stamped with "In God We Trust" as our slogan. This god is the god of Christianity of course, because it was added by Christians in the first place, and it is not being taken off anytime soon, regardless of how many people attempt to get that change due to it's unconstitutional nature. It is unconstitutional because it adheres to religion. Although it seems like many are attacking Christianity, they are simply trying to lower it's affect on us and get Christianity to the same level as the Jews, Muslims and atheists. The religion (or lack there of) of these groups has no affect on American government, but Christianity does. Christians have been doing the attacking for the most part. Christians usually say that the attacking Christians are not real Christians, but they, according to their holy text, cannot judge fairly. As an atheist, I can only see that the attacking Christians are the real Christians because they are simply trying to enforce the law of the land. The bible wants it's followers to help make the bible the law of the land, and the Christians that are doing so are called attacking Christians. The bible doesn't encourage hate, but it encourages killing those that do not agree with your faith. This may seem like Old Testament, but the Old Testament is still viable in the eyes of Jesus as he is quoted saying "not a tittle of the law shall pass away before heaven and earth do." He goes on to say until all is fulfilled, but fulfillment of all is the rapture. So, until the rapture, killing and putting an end to anything that is not biblical is biblical itself.
Christians are not under attack. The people of America just want Christianity to be treated no greater than any other group of the country, and they are. The Christians have laws in their favor in America, for example, 7 states require a person accept that there is a higher power in order to hold any political office. Now, this isn't specifically Christianity, but you can safely assume Christians made up this law.
Christians just need to be taken down from it's high horse, for it should not judge the law of the land.
Debate Round No. 1
colinc_music

Pro

Yes, our currency does in fact say "In God we trust" and yes, that is the God that Christians believe in. However, there have been many attempts to have that removed because others find it "offensive". The idea that it is even being threatened to be removed is putting Christianity under attack. I do agree with your point that Christianity should be equal with other religions (or lack of religion) in our government, but to fix this, our government is going about it wrongly. We are, in a sense, over-correcting by trying to remove Christianity from our government and from our media. Just look at Benjamin Watson responding to Ferguson on CNN. Watson claimed that the true issues were that of the heart because of sin, and the only way that we can solve anything is through Christ. When he mentioned Christ, he was cut off. Had he said something along the lines of "We must put our trust in Buddha" nothing would've happened. And a correction to your argument that true Christians "cannot judge fairly" other Christians: Christians can call out other Christians if they are doing wrong (Luke 6:41-42 41"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 42"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye." This meaning that we can judge/call out other Christians on their sins as long as we first evaluate our own lives and see what sins we have. If Christians need to be taken off our high horse, we are currently going about it all wrong. I'm all for other religions/people groups having more representation in our country and in our government, but it should not have to come at the expense of Christianity.
Ozzyhead

Con

The attempt to remove "In God We Trust" is not an attack. It is an attempt to make it so that the Christians do not get an upper hand in this country. It is also a poor representation of our country because it implies that all Americans believe in a god. This is not the case. You can find 2,495 American atheist members on this website. So, clearly, these 2,495 members are not represented. There are also 1,680 agnostic Americans on this website as well. Since agnostics to do not deny nor accept a god, they are not represented. And there are 61 Hindu Americans on this website, and hindus believe in multiple gods, so they are not represented. And there 161 Buddhist Americans. Buddhism does not require the belief in a god, so they are also not represented. Christianity is not under attack. Christianity is just facing resistence to it's attempt to oppress millions of people who do not want to be represented as Christians.
I disagree with the news report cut off. If they are trying to relay news in an unbiased way, they would not allow any religious imput. They would cut off anyone. However, they would probably experience a little heat for doing so. None of the attempts to knock Christianity off it's high horse are attempts to hurt them. However, if we look at the news and listen to the radical Christians, many Christians react negatively to people trying to tell them that they are not better than everyone else. That is not an attack, even if it feels like one.
Debate Round No. 2
colinc_music

Pro

colinc_music forfeited this round.
Ozzyhead

Con

Ozzyhead forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mentalist 2 years ago
mentalist
Western Christianity was used to support genocide of the indigenous Americans, slavery, discrimination against women and the list goes on.
John Henrik Clarke - Religion is the organization of spirituality into something that became the hand maiden of conquerors. Nearly all religions were brought to people and imposed on people by conquerors, and used as the framework to control their minds.
Dalai Lama - We can live without religion and meditation, but we cannot survive without human affection.
Posted by dhardage 2 years ago
dhardage
Christians, the most discriminated against majority in the world. Seriously, Christians are the majority of the country and keep attempting to force their religion and their rules into the rest of society. Those of us who don't believe are simply fighting back. It wasn't that long ago that such a fight would have meant being killed in some gruesome fashion. It still risks being ostracized by the community and family so no, Christianity isn't being attacked. It is simply being told 'NO' and Christians seem to think that shouldn't happen.
Posted by missmedic 2 years ago
missmedic
Christianity is an idea and not a very good idea. Only people garner respect ideas do not.
If a person were to look back 500 years they would see that Christianity controlled every aspect of a person's life and if it did not you would be burned alive. However now its just a bad idea that has become unremarkable. As it is slowly every so slowly replaced by knowledge and reason, like all bad ideas. If you want to be under attack and experience bigotry and hatred, try being an atheist in a world full of Christians.
Posted by Siladheil 2 years ago
Siladheil
What is your stance? Are you debating that Christanity shouldn't be attacked? Is your only stance that Christanity is being attacked and Con must prove that it isn't being attacked?
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
it was doomed to be attacked by jokes from the beginning, you accepted it might be the necessary problem here
Posted by Elijahhill97 2 years ago
Elijahhill97
or maybe it is people just attacking extremist Christians but hey who knows! also what proof or facts do you have to back this? I go to a catholic school and I see God and Jesus mentioned everywhere especially movies, tv shows, music, churches, school, it is on our money, our pledge. I may even suggest that "Christianity" is intruding in places it should not.
Posted by Josh_debate 2 years ago
Josh_debate
its usually the left wing that attacks christianity
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gomergcc
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