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deathstrokeisbrett
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DrewMcD
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DrewMcD
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/24/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (5)
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DrewMcD

Con

Hello, I will be representing the atheist side of this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
deathstrokeisbrett

Pro

i think that you should start off, then i will begin with my arguements
DrewMcD

Con

If you insist, I will start off. It's hard for me to believe in something that has so many contradictions. Did you know that's Gods own definition contradicts itself? The definition of God in the Christian Bible is that he is
1.Super natural
2.Omnibenevolent
3.OmniPotent
4.Omniscient
I'll start off with the first one. Now, being supernatural means you are inmaterial, which means it can't be tested as in science you can only test material things. With that said, you couldn't prove for a supernatural being to be right or wrong since you can not test it. With that said, you say God is the higher power, while I say Zeus, and another one says a flying spaghetti monster. As ridiculous as that sounds, you can't prove one to be more right or wrong than any other one, therefore all 3 answers are equally valid.
The second on is God is Omnibenevolent or all good. Now let's use examples of horrible things: War, disease, natural disasters, almost anything bad you can think of. Now, do you think that is the work of God, or the devil? If you said God, that proves you disagree in the defintion of God. If you said it's the devil, you are also wrong. God says In Isaiah 45:7 KJV, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things". He says himself he creates evil, proving he is not all good, contradicting his own definition.
The next one is Omnipotent or all powerful. Now here's a question in which you've most likely heard before but stands true and proves my point. Can God create a boulder so big even he himself could not lift it? If you say God can, that proves he is not Omnipotent since he is not powerful enough to lift the Boulder, and if you say God can't them that proves he is not omnipotent as he could not create a boulder so big.
The last part of this definition is he is Omniscient or all knowing. If God knew everything, then he would know what you need or what you want, and therefore there should be no reason to pray for it.
I will go much more in depth in the following rounds with God's definition, including how different parts of his definition contradict with each other!
Debate Round No. 2
deathstrokeisbrett

Pro

deathstrokeisbrett forfeited this round.
DrewMcD

Con

I am sadden to see my opponent was unable to "debunk" me in round 2 like he said. Having 72 hours to reply, I was planning for a response. However, I will make my statements as planned, and hopefully my opponent will reply not only to this round but the previous. I wish him the best of luck.

As stated earlier, God is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient. However, it's impossible for these 3 to coexist with each other under one definition, as they contradict each other. For example:

Omniscient and omnibenevolent:
As I stated in round 2, God creates evil(Isaiah 45:7). When something bad happens in our life, Christians often say, "It's God testing us". However, by being omniscient(all knowing) he would already know how we would respond to his "test", therefore there would be no need to do it. This proves he is not omnibenevolent(all good), for if he was he wouldn't be inflicting the pain for no reason like he is by putting this "test" on us when he already knows the results.

Omnipotent and omnibenevolent:
Now let's say it's not God doing this. Let's throw out the information I've presented and tell me no.
God doesn't create evil(even though he said he does in Isaiah 45:7 KJV), God is all knowing, and God is omnibenevolent(even though he's inflicting pain on you and there are countless stories in the bible of him killing people including pregnet women and their unborn children AND the slaughter of children...Hosea 13:16 King James).
No, that is NOT the acts of God, but acts of the devil. The devil has come and has made all these horrific things occur. Now, you worship God, you praise him, and you preach his word daily. Why are the events still happening? Why hasn't he stopped it? God is omnipotent(all powerful) so he should be able to stop the devil or at least stop the chaos the devil is causing. These proposes an interesting scenario:
Either God CAN'T stop the devil and the horrible events occurring, so he is not truly omnipotent.
OR
God CAN stop the devil and the horrible events occurring, he is CHOOSING not to. If he is choosing not to, he is not all good as he is not doing good by helping the people he created, that proves he is not omnibenevolent.
Debate Round No. 3
deathstrokeisbrett

Pro

deathstrokeisbrett forfeited this round.
DrewMcD

Con

I have stated my arguments in the second and third round and the pro has yet to rebuttal or state his own arguetments. With that said, I will leave what I have the arguements I have already listed in the previous rounds and will not make any new ones. I wish pro the best of luck and hopefully a reply
Debate Round No. 4
deathstrokeisbrett

Pro

deathstrokeisbrett forfeited this round.
DrewMcD

Con

Sadly, pro has once again forefited the round. Since I am the only side to give points in this debate, I feel like I should get voted. I wish pro would have responded, as I was interested in what his rebuttals and arguments would be.
Vote con!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by deathstrokeisbrett 1 year ago
deathstrokeisbrett
sorry i didn't debate. i was busy and did not realize that my opponent had actually started the debate. I rarely enter this website and that was my first debate on this website
Posted by bluesteel 1 year ago
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arguments to Pro (3 points), S&G and conduct to Con (2 points). {RFD = Reasons for voting decision: I feel dumber just from reading this. This is ludicrous! I don't believe and I still want Christianity to win this one, even though they didn't even say anything. Atheism, or con, just said stuff without backing up anything. None of what was said proved anything. This was a waist of my time.}

[*Reason for removal*] This RFD blatantly admits to voting based on personal bias. It also doesn't explain the S&G or conduct vote.
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
Guys i think you should do an acceptance round..
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Vote Placed by SlovakiaKentros 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Drew won due to opponent's forfeiture.