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brinzahar
Con (against)
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Rjupudi18
Pro (for)

Christianity supports equal rights to men and women

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Started: 1/12/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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brinzahar

Con

Christianity is not a religion that supports equality of men and women "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man;rather, she is to remain quiet (1 Timothy 2:12)." This clearly states that a woman's voice does not matter to men and they should be submissive and more proof of this shown in Colossians 3:18, "Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord." This shows that the Christian god is even seeing this as moral, that a wife should be below her husband, submitting to him. It is even seen bad for a woman to try to learn in the church according to the bible "The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)."
Rjupudi18

Pro

Christianity definitely supports gender equality and the equal rights and treatment of men and women. My opponent gave some verses from the Bible to present their case. I believe these verses are taken out of context. For example, 1 Timothy 2:12 was written by Apostle Paul to the church at Ephesus. The Ephesian church was a heretical church which mixed Biblical Christianity with Gnosticism so Paul wrote a letter to Timothy in order to correct the church. Even if the verse was taken at face value, there is nothing wrong with it as it doesn't claim women are below men. It only says women should not have authority over men in the church. As for Colossians 3:18, I agree with the statement. Wives should submit to their husbands not with fear or obligation but out of love just as we submit to Christ out of our love for Him. But it doesn't end there. It goes on to say how husbands should stay faithful and be loving to their wives (3:19).

The Bible is clear that men and women are equal in the sight of God.
"So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." (Genesis 1:27)
This verse clearly shows men and women are created equally in the image of God so there is no room for gender inequality.

Another analogy to gender equality in Christianity is the concept of the Holy Trinity. In the Trinity, the Father is God and the Son is God. They are of one essence and are equal Persons. Yet still, the Son is obedient to the Father and the Father is faithful and loving towards the Son. In the same way, wives should be obedient to their husbands and husbands should love their wives all while being equal.
Debate Round No. 1
brinzahar

Con

I understand in the vast majority of modern Christianity believes that Jesus, the Holy spirit, and god are one in three, but I was not sure how you achieved husbands loving their wives that way. I would appreciate more explanation to this, thank you.

1 Corinthians 11:7-9: "For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." I understand that this speaks about the christian's creationist ideas. Even with that said, these passages show the equality of women as the prior verses explain how a woman may not uncover her head or have it shaven as it is disrespectful, but it is disrespectful for a man to cover his head during prayer. 1 Corinthians 11:4-6 "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head." 1 Corinthians 11:10-16, "That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God." Though the first it seems gentle as it states "angels over her head" but how does long hair or a covered head have anything to do with angels over one's head, and the double standards here, saying it is disgraceful for a man to have long hair. That is just as sexist as a woman must have long hair, a man must have short hair. If the bible promoted equality then why would it matter who's hair was long or short? It also clearly states if a woman wants her hair short you must remind her that it is a disgrace to god and the same if a man wants his hair long.

1 Timothy 2:8-15 "8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness"with good works. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing"if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control." Once again speaking of Adam and Eve and backs up the bible's sexism by stating "For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing...." Along with reason for sexism, it blames the woman for "sin throughout the world" and how it was her fault for it and because of that now women need to listen to their husbands since they cannot be trusted to make their own dissensions. Along with that it talks only of the women having self control and to cover themselves with "modesty and self control" she cannot have braided hair, gold, or pearls or any jewelry, while nothing against the man is stated there.
Rjupudi18

Pro

In the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are equally God and one in essence. Yet, the Son is obedient and submits to the will of the Father and the Father is faithful and shows unconditional love towards the Son. In the same way, wives should be obedient and submit to their husbands and husbands should be faithful and love their wives. In this way, both the husband and wife are equal just as God the Father and God the Son are equal.

1 Corinthians 11:7-9 speaks about how women should cover their heads out of modesty and respect and how men should not cover their heads out of modesty and respect. There is no sexism here. It's a law of God for the different genders. I believe you're confusing equality with identicality. Just because men and women are equal doesn't mean they have to have the same length of hair. By your logic, you could argue that God is sexist because women get pregnant and men don't or men have deeper voices than women.

Again, I remind you that 1 Timothy was written by Paul to the church at Ephesus who were a very feminine church which practiced goddess worship and other sinful acts and deviated from the true teachings of Jesus Christ. I'm not saying everything in 1 Timothy is irrelevant but we can't take it simply at face value without seeing the historical context it was written in. As for your statement that Eve caused sin to enter the world, I agree because she was the one who ate the forbidden fruit and gave it to Adam. And 1 Timothy 2:14 clearly states the "woman" was deceived not the "women". So we can't claim this verse is blaming women for sin because it's clearly not. It's talking about a single woman (Eve) not womankind.

In conclusion, I have to say the Bible is a book that truly values women and their rights. Christianity is one of the few religions in the world that gives women a high status The Bible is filled with inspiring and godly women who set a fine example for women of today (Ruth, Esther, Mary (mother of Jesus), Mary Magdalene, etc.). Heck, even two books of the Bible are named after women (Ruth and Esther). When talking about feminism in the Bible, the Bible is clear men and women are equal. This doesn't mean however that they're identical. God has given men and women specific roles in the household, church and society.
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Posted by Sciguy 10 months ago
Sciguy
As usual, the coward that is Brinzahar has forfeited.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 12 months ago
FollowerofChrist1955
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Posted by Rjupudi18 1 year ago
Rjupudi18
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Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 1 year ago
FollowerofChrist1955
The word of God is not ambiguous in this matter! Ephesians 5 is clear at a simple glance: there should be no confusion in this.

Instructions for Christian Households
21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Our command by God!
25 Husbands,
love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

This is often overlooked or deliberately ignored!
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church" 30 for we are members of his body. 31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32 This is a profound mystery"but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

One need simply read this to understand its meaning, this is not ambiguous!
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