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Here are some things in the Bible, the holy book of Christianity, that I think are immoral:
Exodus 22:18: "Do not allow a sorceress to live."
Leviticus 15:19-33: Don't have sex with a menstruating woman. Anything that a menstruating woman touches is unclean and dirty. Stay away from a menstruating woman.
Leviticus 20:13: If a man sleeps with a man, you should kill both of them.
Leviticus 27:3-7: A woman isn't worth as much as a man is.
Romans 1:26-27: Homosexuality is unnatural.
1 Timothy 2:11-12: A woman should not assume authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.
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37 Jesus replied: ""Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: "Love your neighbor as yourself."[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." https://www.biblegateway.com...
The Catechism, which is a summary of Christian doctrine written by the Vatican, is a better representation of modern doctrine of Christianity. My opponent cannot refute the authority of the Catechism because it is the official doctrine of Christianity.
The seventh commandment forbids acts or enterprises that for any reason - selfish or ideological, commercial, or totalitarian - lead to the enslavement of human beings, to their being bought, sold and exchanged like merchandise, in disregard for their personal dignity. It is a sin against the dignity of persons and their fundamental rights to reduce them by violence to their productive value or to a source of profit. St. Paul directed a Christian master to treat his Christian slave "no longer as a slave but more than a slave, as a beloved brother, . . . both in the flesh and in the Lord."194 http://www.vatican.va... As seen from the Catechism, Christianity is against slavery.
Chirstinaity does believe homosexuality is unnatural because homosexuality does not lead to procreation. However, this is an opinion. Plus, Christianity does not intend to kill people because they are homosexuals anymore.
To summarize, my opponent is just taking things out of context to accuse Christianity of unreasonable charges.
My opponent also claims that the 7th Commandment forbids slavery. The 7th Commandment is "You shall not commit adultery." While I agree that this is a good commandment, what does adultery have to do with slavery?
My opponent says, "Chirstinaity [sic] does believe homosexuality is unnatural because homosexuality does not lead to procreation. However, this is an opinion. Plus, Christianity does not intend to kill people because they are homosexuals anymore." However, there is actually scientific evidence that homosexuality is natural (youtube.com/watch?v=70I7Nag4Eu8). And even though the majority of Christians don't kill homosexuals, that doesn't change Christianity itself. The Bible, which is the foundational text of Christianity, says that homosexuals deserve death, and that's what makes Christianity immoral, in my opinion.
Plus, Old testament is the base of Judaism, not Christianity. Christianity focuses on the New testament. And according to the action of Jesus, he would never allow people to kill based on their sexuality and whatnot.
My opponent also says, "Plus, Old testament is the base of Judaism, not Christianity. Christianity focuses on the New testament. And according to the action of Jesus, he would never allow people to kill based on their sexuality and whatnot." However, as I have stated, Jesus defended the law of the Old Testament in the New Testament (Matthew 5:18-19, Luke 16:17). Therefore, if Christianity accepts the New Testament, then it must accept the Old Testament, as well. And some of the passages from the Bible that I referenced in Round 1 are from the New Testament.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment." 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, "Raca,"[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, "You fool!" will be in danger of the fire of hell.
23 "Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.
25 "Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
27 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall not commit adultery."[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
31 "It has been said, "Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce."[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
33 "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made." 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God"s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply "Yes" or "No"; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.[g]
Eye for Eye
38 "You have heard that it was said, "Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth."[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43 "You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy." 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
As you can see, Jesus is not saying that the all of the old laws should be followed word by word, he is presenting his own interpretation. And this interpretation is the basis of Christianity.
Christianity is not necessary based entirely on every single word of Bible. It is also based on the modern teaching of Christianity. Religion does change. Christianity has changed. Christianity is not intend on killing people based on homosexuality or enslaving anyone. Bible is just a reference. As Jesus changed the law of the old testament, religion can and does change. Therefore, it is absurd to call Christianity immoral based just on Bible.
My opponent has cited some examples of Jesus in the New Testament doing away with certain Old Testament laws as evidence that modern Christians aren't necessarily bound by Old Testament law, or at least not all of it. However, my opponent has not cited any passages where Jesus does away with the any of the passages that I mentioned in Round 1. If Jesus wanted to do away with those, then why didn't he mention those? Furthermore, 2 of the passages that I mentioned in Round 1 (Romans 1:26-27 and 1 Timothy 2:11-12) are from the New Testament. So, even if Jesus wanted to do away with the Old Testament, he did not want to do away with those 2 passages.
Considering the treatment of woman by Jesus and the Catechism, it can be said that the passage in 1 Timothy is obsolete.
Catholic church does believe that homosexuality cannot be approved, but they do state this in its Catechism: "They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided." http://www.marriageuniqueforareason.org...
Yes, even I do not agree with Christianity's views on homosexuality. However, modern Christianity does not intend any harm for homosexual people. As long as they do not intend any harm, they cannot be called immoral.
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