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Jlconservative
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Yraelz
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Christians have and hold onto morals far more than an atheist has or does.

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Started: 3/14/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Jlconservative

Pro

This will be a good one I am sure, I will wait for Yraelz to make his opening statement this time so I do not have much to say until my opponent makes his case.
Yraelz

Con

Yay! Finally have time for this (1:50 in the morning >.>).

I would like to thank my opponent for extending this challenge to me, I'm always happy to debate a conservative who actually seems to enjoy debating me as opposed to loathing my guts throughout the entire debate.

Onto my arguments! I will debating this on two levels for fun. Not only will I debate that an atheist holds onto his/her morals better but also that an atheist will generally have better morals.

1. An atheist at the very least holds onto his/her morals no less than that of a religious person. This is rather simple. Christianity, specifically the bible, is very open to interpretation. For example:

http://www.religioustolerance.org...

here is a source that show about 30% of Christians believe in a literal Satan being while 62% believe in Satan simply being a symbolic evil.

Another example is the fact that a fair number liberal christians believe homosexuality is okay.

This of course has no application to our current debate, it simply shows that the bible is very much open to interpretation. This allows christians to interpret it how they desire. Furthermore there are many branches of christianity, these only further the power of the christrian to pick a branch thereby possibly changing some part of their moral code.

For instance a christian might have the moral that "the death penalty is ok" until the point where they see a person unjustly put to death. At which point they may adopt a more literal representation of the bible and say that killing is flat wrong. This of course is the same freedom an atheist has in the sense that an atheist can change their morals if they feel one has become outdated or is simply wrong.

2. Christians actually hold onto morals less. This point stems from children becoming atheistic. Many children who start out christian do so simply because their parents tell them that is what is right. The children themselves may not actually believe in the christian doctrines or even god him/herself. This at some point occasionally lead to them abandoning their faith, and moral code, to find a moral code that better suits them. This is an example of christians not holding onto their morals.

3. Christians actually hold onto morals less (2). Christianity makes it more difficult for an individual to choose a moral code that they feel is right. While Christianity does offer the opening for interpretation it only offers it to some limits. For instance the belief in homosexuality being fine is blatantly discouraged by the bible where as an atheist, if they feel homosexuality is fine, has nothing discouraging himself/herself from that idea. This of course at times forces christians to follow morals that they don't necessarily feel are right. Which in turn leads to them at some point or another either abandoning their faith or simply changing that moral.

4. Atheists on the other hand are more likely to hold onto theirs. Why? Because the atheist actually developed his/her own morals. Going against christian morals is to go against something that someone does not believe in, while going against atheistic morals is to against oneself. The idea of giving up atheistic morals is completely and utterly self defeating. Its like building your own bridge and then knocking that bridge over. Meanwhile going against christian morals is like looking at a bridge that you don't think will hold up then knocking it over and creating your own bridge.

5. Atheistic morals are actually better than that of christians on two levels.

a. Many christians simply feel that they should follow the christian morals because this is what god teaches. This means that the christians often times don't follow their morals for any other reason than a blind faith. Which means the morals don't actually belong to these people but rather their god. (DISCLAIMER!: This is not a rule, I have met many christians who knew exactly why they followed the morals they did and had a very sound moral code. I however have also met the other kind.)

b. The christian morals offer less wiggle room for a moral code than that of an atheist. Christian morals, as shown by my opponents debate topic, are actually encouraged to remain the same all throughout a christians life. This does not allow for much growth as a person. An atheist on the other hand examines situations and critically examines his/her morals to decide if they are correct. This process of critical examination leads to well thought out and meaningful morals. (DISCLAIMER: This is obviously not only true, some atheists are idiots. However in general I feel an atheist, having a greater ability to do so, does this critical examination more often. )

Well thats about all I have for now JL. Though I have a question for you: What do you believe Satan is?
Debate Round No. 1
Jlconservative

Pro

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Yraelz

Con

This makes me sad, I actually enjoyed debating JL. In other news I just got a 2000 page study bible and intend to read it rather soon. Maybe I will have something exciting to say on many debates after that point. =)

Extend all my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
Jlconservative

Pro

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Yraelz

Con

Account cleared. Extend all my points, I have nothing to say. Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala. 100 or so.
Debate Round No. 3
Jlconservative

Pro

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Yraelz

Con

Oh boy! One more round to go! I can't wait, now I just have to type my 100 characters so I can go back to playing Crisis Core!
Debate Round No. 4
Jlconservative

Pro

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Yraelz

Con

Woot finally, this is over! However for anyone interested in this topic I do have this exact same debate currently going with the same person. Check it out.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by XsamacadoX 8 years ago
XsamacadoX
lol. wrong person to be offended by. not really though. im just bored.
Posted by Yraelz 8 years ago
Yraelz
Wait... what? How did my argument offend you?
Posted by XsamacadoX 8 years ago
XsamacadoX
i am highly offended by your argument Yralz. i myself am a cuddly little child who became an atheist and i think of myself as a fairly good person. i now know how it feels to be genralized as a bad person though. regardless you won.
Posted by Yraelz 8 years ago
Yraelz
Well that makes me a little sad. Apparently my opponent has closed his account. I'm beginning to feel my win ratio is becoming more based on the luck of people dropping out of debates than anything else. Yucky.
Posted by Jlconservative 8 years ago
Jlconservative
no worries take your time
Posted by Yraelz 8 years ago
Yraelz
Sorry JL, I am really busy right now, I promise I will get to this soon though.
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