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Chuck Norris Is The Ultimate Character In Mugen

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Started: 9/17/2010 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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SuperRobotWars

Pro

My argument is that Chuck Norris is the ultimate Mugen game character. Mugen is an open source computer fighting game for all those who don't know.

http://www.mugenation.com...
http://mugen.en.softonic.com...
Atheism

Con

As my opponent has not defined Ultimate, I will proceed to define it myself, and, to ward off any semantical claims, I will then destroy every argument he could have on the word ultimate.

Ultimate[2] - 1. Being last in a series, process, or progression:

Obviously, Chuck Norris is not the last character in Mugen, as there are others created after him, and others that, in alphabetical order, come after him as well.
This particular definition is negated.

Ultimate[2] - 2. Fundamental; elemental:

Chuck Norris is clearly not universally fundamental to Mugen. Mugen was around before the character Chuck Norris had been entered into the user's database. In fact, Mugen comes with no characters but Kung Fu Man, which dictates that Mugen is able to run without Chuck Norris.
This particular definition is negated.

Ultimate[2] - 3. a. Of the greatest possible size or significance; maximum:

Chuck Norris is not the greatest size, as, in my opponent's own video, there was a character larger than Chuck Norris given. He is neither the universal greatest significance, as the significance of Chuck Norris varies from user to user. Some may 'need' him, and some will not.
This particular definition is negated.

Ultimate[2] - 3. b. Representing or exhibiting the greatest possible development or sophistication

This is most likely what my opponent was going for. To be honest, it is qite easy to beat, as all I need to do is list a character that can defeat/tie Chuck Norris, thus validating that character's higher development/skill. And, since ultimate implies that there can be only one supreme fighter, if another was to tie Chuck Norris, the resolution would be negated.
I choose WeeGee[1]. He has no hitboxes, he can not die, and he automatically kills his opponent.
This particular definition is negated.

Ultimate[2] - 3. c. Utmost; extreme

As this is entirely subjective my opponent loses. Why Because, it is the BoP to prove that Chuck Norris is invariably the extremest character in all of Mugen, and as this is purely subjective, my opponent loses, as it varies from person to person, and he would have to prove that Chuck Norris is INVARIABLY the most extreme character.
This particular definition is negated.

Ultimate[2] - 4. Being most distant or remote; farthest

Since this definition doesn't actually -make- sense in the context of the resolution, this type of definition loses.
This particular definition is negated.

Ultimate[2] - 5.Eventual

Now, at first glance, it may seem this is a strong argument for my opponent. However, it is not, as The implies that, since it is in context with this particular resolution, we were specifically waiting for this exact type of character, and this version of Chuck Norris. Now, since not everyone wasn't, this argument is negated. And, as no one in particular knew beforehand what exactly Chuck Norris in Mugen would look like, and what version for Mugen, and so on and so forth, with many specifications, this definition fails.
This particular definition is negated.

In conclusion, I hope my opponent makes a valiant attempt to rebut my arguments, though I do not expect him to succeed.

Resolution negated.

Sources:
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[2]http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
Debate Round No. 1
SuperRobotWars

Pro

Your first two arguments are incorrect due to the fact they were the wrong definitions of the word ultimate (not wrong definitions, but not the ones I meant). And as can plainly be seen in the Mugen video the Luigi was incapable of attack therefore not better than Chuck Norris considering the fact Chuck Norris (who I shall call C.N.) is the greatest in terms of attack and defense and as could be seen in the video it was a draw considering the fact the time board ran out and neither one lost any life points (as well as the fact C.N. has the effect that if he gets destroyed you get destroyed [draw game] and you suffer the mysterious blue screen). And the rest of our arguments were either addressed in this paragraph or the definition was not in the proper context.

One of the main points of my argument is that C.N. cannot be beat due to the fact his effect only allows for a victory or a draw (in the case of the draw your computer will say its a draw and show you the blue screen or straight up crash) and for those who may consider this cheating all I have to say is this: Mugen is an open source computer fighting game therefore there is no cheating when it comes to how you design your characters (unless you use the f1 [its one of the f keys] key in the middle of the game to instantly K.O. your opponent and even then C.N.s effect still works).
http://mugencharacters.ucoz.com...
http://www.mugenation.com...
http://gcnmario.free.fr...
http://www.mugencharacters.org...
http://www.esnips.com...
http://mugencharacter.ucoz.com...
http://mugenguild.com...
http://mugenguild.com...
http://mugenguild.com...
http://www.xentrik.net...
Atheism

Con

My opponent's argument is entirely irrelevant because I already dealt with this.
Ultimate implies that there can be only one person.
As such, if anyone ties/beats Chuck Norris, he is not the ultimate character of mugen, as there would not be only one unbeatable character.
Weegee ties Chuck Norris in a fight, as neither of the two can defeat the other, due to neither of them having a hitbox.

For my opponent's argument that a blue screen appears should Chuck Norris draw, and crashes Mugen, this is due to either of these:
1)Chuck Norris's character has it programmed to do so if he loses.
2)Coincidental glitch.
As number two would only invalidate my opponent's argument, I will attack the only possible way he can win.

If Chuck Norris makes this blue screen appear, either way, it does not matte. It does not make him the, 'Ultimate Character,' as he has still drawn with Weegee. The only thing that changes is that he is now a sore loser. So, my opponent loses.

Anyways, my opponent didn't properly define Ultimate, while I did, and so I will now choose which Ultimate is being used for the debate.

Ultimate[2] - 1. Being last in a series, process, or progression:
As I already argued that Chuck Norris is not the last character and therefore not the ultimate character, and my opponent didn't address the majority of my arguments, I win.

On all accounts, in every single standpoint and perspective, I have won this debate.

As such, the resolution is negated.
Debate Round No. 2
SuperRobotWars

Pro

Chuck Norris cannot lose under any circumstances therefore ultimate.
Atheism

Con

My opponent did not even try to rebut my arguments, so I strongly urge a vote for Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Loserboi 7 years ago
Loserboi
superrobot you gotta stop voting for you opponents its depressing me
Posted by m93samman 7 years ago
m93samman
PWND by atheism
Posted by Atheism 7 years ago
Atheism
Easy win.
Posted by SuperRobotWars 7 years ago
SuperRobotWars
I'm a nerd what can I say.
Posted by Loserboi 7 years ago
Loserboi
love these
Posted by XStrikeX 7 years ago
XStrikeX
Can't you do anything more political??
Posted by m93samman 7 years ago
m93samman
You do waaayyyy too many nerd-type debates
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