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AJmartinez
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PryorPirate93
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Civil disobedience is an appropiate weapon in the fight for justice.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/25/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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AJmartinez

Pro

I'd like to begin by pointing out what consitutes as "civil disobedience". According to Black' Law dictionary, civil disobedience is "deliberate, open, and peaceful violation of particular laws, decrees, regulations, military or police orders." If the violation does not fit this code, it cannot be called civil disobedience.

My first point is that civil disobedience is a last resort.
Legal channels can never truly be exhausted, as there is always another chance to write a letter to a senetor and newspapers. You can always wait a year and cast another vote. But these options are time consuming, and if nothing is accomplished, than what was all that time used for? When one has tried all legal channels and has nothing to show for it, then it is time to take the next step. In the case of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., segregation had been going on for about 340 years. Where is the justice in that? Someone had to do something, and standing up against the law as Dr. King did was the only way to do it. People never took notice of all the letters written, but as soon as people like Dr. King and Rosa Parks stood up, heads turned.

My second point is civil disobedience has helped in the past and can continue to help in the future
When the United States first became a nwtion, didn't someone break the rules to prove we had a faulty government? When colored people were not given the same privledges as whites didn't someone have to stand up (or in the case of Rosa Parks, sit down) for what they believed was right, was just? Through acts of cvil disobedience, Gandhi helped to bring justice to a corrupt government in India. People always say to learn from the past. In this case, history keeps telling us one thing: civil disobedience has helped! It was civil disobedience that has helped to shape the United States, one of the longest standing democracies ever.

William E. Gladstone said, "Justice delayed is justice denied." King argued that after a point, patience in fighting an injustice perpetuates that injustice. Basically, if you are trying to fix an injustice, but your methods accomplish nothing, after a while, you are just adding to that injustice. Our Declaration tells us that if we have the ability, then we have the reponsibitly to take action and fix things that are unjust.
PryorPirate93

Con

okay first off to my opponent thank you for the challenge....
i would also further like to ask my opponent to never bring this up to davis, the class, at a tournament, ECT.....
okay i will begin by attacking my opponents case and then giving mine...
my opponent mentions in her opening statement that civil disobedience is
"deliberate, open, and peaceful violation of particular laws, decrees, regulations, military or police orders." and,"If the violation does not fit this code, it cannot be called civil disobedience."
i would like to point out that my opponent also states that
"When the United States first became a nAtion, didn't someone break the rules to prove we had a faulty government."
obviously the "peaceful violation isnt a violation if its peaceful....
a 'peaceful violation' is protected in the first amendment so its not a violation at all...
my opponent has no doubt contradicted herself by going against herself in saying that rules need to be broken to prove a faulty government...
so my opponents definition oes not stand....
since we have no clear definition and a contradictive second contention i will now offer my case...
civil disobedience is never the answer because according to
Websters Dictionary civil disobedience is "the act of intentionally getting seen to get something done"
Hippies for example weren't always peaceful...they commited acts of civil disobedience that was very innapropriate....
the war sparked from civil disobedience and is against many rules of the U.N.
im now open for my opponents next argument...
Debate Round No. 1
AJmartinez

Pro

I would like to begin by telling my opponent that there is no guarnatee Davis will never see this.

My opponent stated, "peaceful violation isnt a violation if its peaceful...."
In response, I would like to point out that the word "violation" in this case means breaking of the law. Thus, it can be peaceful or not. For example, if my school were to enforce a dress code, and one day I decided to wear somthing different, I have "violated" the rule. But I did so in a peaceful manner. So this argument does not stand, and my definition still stands.

"my opponent has no doubt contradicted herself by going against herself in saying that rules need to be broken to prove a faulty government..." I'm not saying that they HAVE to be roken. I merely stated an example of how civil disobedience has helped us before. There is no contradiction, because my entire second contention shows how civil disobedience has helped in the past. So my opponents attck does not stand.

Further, I would like to ask my opponent what hippies have to do with anything? And what war came from civil disobedience?

My opponent has no case, and therefore has no attacks against my own.
PryorPirate93

Con

okay i would like to point out to the public that im new to this and my brother has been in this for years!!!!!!!
okay hippies are the one good example of civil disobedience gone wrong!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com...;
they're civil disobedience examples...thats wat they have to do with it....
can you imagine if everyone protested like this...where would we be!?!?!?!
think bout that voters....
Debate Round No. 2
AJmartinez

Pro

I would first like to thank my sister for this debate, as well as remind her that practice makes perfect.

However, her video on "civil disobedience gone wrong" have nothing to do with the topic. It is about a girl pretending to be a hippie with anger management problems. The thing about civil disobedience is that it is organized. People organize these things. They don't just go ranting and raving into the public eye, screaming things that no one understands. Those girls know nothing about the ethics of civil disobedience. Martin Luther King Jr, and Gandhi each had different ways of getting things done, both using civil disobedience, but both very peaceful. Same with Rosa Parks.

My opponent has no standing case and has failed to even attack my own. However, because this is the last round she cannot unfortunately bring up any new arguments, and therefore must attempt to defend a case which does not stand. As a favor to her, I will end this here.

Thank you.
PryorPirate93

Con

ummmm.....yeah.....imma just sart and stop by saying thnx for the debate bro!!!!
next time lets debate something i know bout huh!?!?!
i guess i give.....you win spencer!!!!
:D
but 2 no 3 things....
1. davis never sees this....
2. this is never brought up in class, at a tournament, or when around....
3. Spencer from criminal Minds is a freakin nerd!!!!
4. ill see you either b4 school or on the first day....
Congrats on ur astronomical win brada!!!!!
l8erz....
:D
p.s.......i just let you win....
XD
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by AJmartinez 8 years ago
AJmartinez
comments are appreciated
thank you voters!
Posted by PryorPirate93 8 years ago
PryorPirate93
heck yes!!!!!
one vote!!!
thank you public!!!!!
:D
Posted by AJmartinez 8 years ago
AJmartinez
It's okay you'll get better.

and thanks. I can't wait to see my love ^_^
Posted by PryorPirate93 8 years ago
PryorPirate93
i have no case....-_-....that sux....
Posted by PryorPirate93 8 years ago
PryorPirate93
ur up spencer...
dont forget ur on tonite at 8:00 tonite on channel 11!!!!!!
XD
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