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Rilo
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Class War in the UK

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Started: 4/24/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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brian_eggleston

Pro

British society is tearing itself apart and it's only a matter of time before the Working Class rise up against their Upper Class oppressors, but who will emerge victorious?

For those unfamiliar with British society, the two sides can be identified as follows:

The Upper Classes and their Allies:

Aristocrats,
Second Home-Owning Mega-Toffs,
The Clergy,
Right Wing Tabloid-Publishing Plutocrats,
Volvo-Driving, Daily Mail-Reading Ultra-Orthodox Snobs,
The Landed Gentry,
Insider-Dealing City Fat Cats,
EU Subsidy-Scrounging Farmers,
Supermarket Magnates,
International Property Tycoons,
Public Utility Profiteers.
Celebrity Daughters of Former Tory Chancellors of the Exchequer.

The Working Class and their Allies:

Underpaid, Over-Exploited Workers,
Thugs,
Neds,
Chavs,
Yobs,
Hoodies.

Since I am working class, I am going to argue that we'll give that over-privileged posh lot a proper pasting but perhaps you think their superior financial recourses will mean they'll win the day?
Rilo

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Debate Round No. 1
brian_eggleston

Pro

I am disappointed to note that my opponent has not had the opportunity to refute my argument. I assume he had more pressing matters to attend to, which would be understandable. However, I would like to take this opportunity to expand the debate as follows:

Come the Revolution, which will result in me being installed as Britain's rightful dictator :), the Workers will receive the justice the Upper Class Establishment has denied them for centuries.

First and foremost, there will be a mass redistribution of wealth. In the UK, half the population share just 1% of the nation's wealth while the richest 1% control 34% of the total and the richest 5% own 58%.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk...

http://www.statistics.gov.uk...

If the assets of the wealthiest 1% of the population were seized and distributed evenly between the remaining 99%, every working age person would receive �35,115 ($70,242). If the assets of the richest 5% were redistributed in a similar way, that figure would increase to �62,430 ($124,881).

These calculations are based on 2003 figures, the latest available. However, the wealth of the country has increased substantially since then so the amount each person would actually receive would, in reality, be even greater than quoted above.

Since the vast majority of the population will benefit from a huge financial windfall, it will be in almost everybody's interest to ensure the Revolution is successful – 370,000 posh people are never going to be able to resist 36,628,000 workers – no matter how many locks they have on their doors.

I respectfully move that you vote Pro for the Revolution and a fairer Britain.
Rilo

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Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by brian_eggleston 9 years ago
brian_eggleston
A good point, well made as usual theLwerd.

I notice you live in the United States, a relatively young country, where you enjoy very much a classless society - similar to Canada, New Zealand and Australia in that respect.

In Britain, someone is identified immediately by their accent and treated accordingly. The most powerful and wealthy did not, for the most part, earn their elevated status in society, they were born into it. Even those successful in trade usually come from privileged backgrounds.

These privileges and social prejudices are deeply entrenched and permeate every aspect of life, denying able people the opportunity to realise their full potential as they would in a meritocracy, such as the US.

That said, I hope this debate will be light-hearted and humorous.
Posted by Danielle 9 years ago
Danielle
Since the beginning of civilization the wealthy and elite have always been the most powerful in a particular society. In most cases, assuming the lower/working class somehow usurped that power, that lower/working class was probably then privy to more $ which changed the class system but in turn the $ still = power.
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