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Cloning

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Started: 4/10/2014 Category: Science
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sadamson11

Con

Cloning is described as a number of processes that are used to create a genetically identical organism. The copied material is described as a clone, and has the same genetic identity as the original organism. However, there are many controversial issues with these processes. Cloning has been proven in numerous cases to be unsafe. According to Center for Genetics and Society, 95% of mammalian cloning has resulted in failure, the reasons being stillbirth, miscarriage, and life-threatening anomalies. Statistics show that the success rate ranges between .1%-3%. Thus meaning that for every 1000 attempts, only 1-30 clones are made, while the other 970-999 organisms die. It's rare that these clones are born without abnormalities. The cloned organisms have been presented with deformities that could eventually end in death. Cloned cows have been born with increasingly large hearts and lungs. Times Higher Education has proven the presence of Parkinson's Disease in rats. The famous cloned sheep, Dolly, has abnormal weight gain, premature arthritis, and even progressive lung disease. Some clones experience large baby syndrome, which means they are irregularly large. This ends up killing the mother during birth.
awilliams1998

Pro

Every medical technology carries with it a degree of risk when first being introduced; cloning is one of many. Cloning techniques will eventually be perfected in mammals and will then be suitable for human trials. The risks with cloning are only temporary. Once it is perfected, cloning would introduce a new opportunity for scientists to make more medical advances regarding health. Cloned organisms would allow for testing to find treatments of diseases or disorders. Since they are genetically identical, they would provide a body that would react to operations and substances like a natural organism would. Specifically, human services would improve such as therapeutic development, the treatment of burn victims, or vital reconstructive surgery. With practice, luxuries like cosmetic surgery would be more reliable and consistent. Even more, new testing done on humans could be lethal. Instead of making offers to draw in reluctant volunteers, or controversial animal testing, genetic copies could replace. This would make clearer and quicker advances medically that would ultimately benefit the health of our population.
Debate Round No. 1
sadamson11

Con

Even with the claimed "benefits" of cloning, how many more millions of dollars would that cost? Forbes Magazine estimated that one human clone would cost a whopping $1.7 million. Dolly the Sheep cost around $750,000. After all, one egg costs between $3,000 and $5,000. With such large numbers, ask yourself if it's worth it. Cloning is commonly wanted for transplants and adoptions, but it's not a necessity. Alternative treatments and adoption agencies do exist. The money that is being put toward cloning research and procedures would be more beneficial in a different department with more experience and understanding. Cancer and Alzheimer's Disease are just two options of many that would benefit from more funding. An uncountable number of deaths have occurred with embryos alone in cloning. Are all of these deaths really worth the amount of time and money wasted? Parthenogenesis, the term that applies to when an egg activates spontaneously on its own, is one of the best alternatives to cloning. Like cloning, parthenogenesis produces stem cells but from the patient's own eggs. It doesn't require the egg to be fertilized. On April 9th, Britain introduced its first cloned dog. However, even scientists raised ethical concerns about the pup. Robin Lovell-Badge, a geneticist at the National Institute for Medical Research, described the dog as a "ridiculous waste of money." That being said, the amount of time and money being spent on cloning would be better spent elsewhere.
awilliams1998

Pro

Though the cost may be staggering, that is the price that comes with what humans need to live. Keeping our world healthy starts with the health of the people. Since the body of the clone would react in the same way a natural body would, cloning could develop spare organs which would be very useful. For example, diseases and age could cause the failure of a vital organ that one could only last so long without. On a machine, they will live yet be restricted to a certain extent. However, there is always the option of an organ transplant. With the amount of organ donors falling short of the amount of people waiting for a transplant operation, the wait could be months or years before being considered for the transplant. Money put towards medical operations can go to waste easily if the operation does not go as planned. The money put towards cloning will replace the money usually needed for any other operation, except the results will be more beneficial.
Debate Round No. 2
sadamson11

Con

Although organ transplants have been sufficient in the past due to cloning, there's always an unknown range of possibilities that could result in worse outcomes. The body could identify the organ as a foreign object and attack it. With the potential ability to create human life, we must ask ourselves of the moral and ethical issues surrounding the topic. The whole idea of cloning goes against the natural process. Cloning represents a shift in mankind's relationship with nature. Because it duplicates an original copy of DNA, cloning slows down the natural process of evolution. Evolution strengthens species' diversity and their survival instincts. Without evolution, the human race cannot continue to evolve into a more sufficient mankind. Also, considering the fact that the cloned organism does have the original's DNA, there is always the question if the clone would carry the same genetic disorders as the original. This could increase the likelihood of the population developing that disorder. On top of that, if the clone developed that disorder, could that be considered attempted murder? For example, if the original organism had ovarian cancer and the clone developed it, would it be classified as murder? Even with other genetic disorders the clone could develop, most medical organizations would not provide support because it would be considered a pre-existing condition. The ability to create human life reduces the overall value of life itself. Cloning increases the chances of humans being viewed as commodities and not individuals. This unfortunate, yet true, reality would decrease the sense of individuality.
awilliams1998

Pro

The cloning process would clone cells that are from the individual's body, so the genetic code would be the same and the body would not see it as a foreign object. Though it may seem like an unnatural process, it is just adapting and using technology as an advantage. The clone would contain the same genetic information including disorders. It would not be classified as murder, because no one inflicted the disease or disorder upon it. Instead, it is a search for a cure so that it would not result in death.
Cloning could also bring happiness to couples who may not be able to have children. Couples who are infertile do not have any way of producing a child, except for adoption. This will give even homosexuals a chance to have a family. According to Genetics and Sockety, this means lesbian couples are able have children without a sperm donation, and gay couples to have genes derived from an egg donor. Also, parents can seek redress for a kid who died early on in their childhood. Cloning could even produce a better understanding of miscarriages and ultimately lead to treatment for spontaneous abortions.
Debate Round No. 3
sadamson11

Con

There are plenty of happy couples who have went through the process of adoption to complete their family. Though there are cases where the couples cannot have a child, they should consider the children who do not have a choice. Children everywhere are put up for adoption because their parents do not want them and/or cannot take care of them. The fact that a reasonable couple not wanting to adopt solely because the child is not genetically similar to them is immoral. The couple should recognize the fact that a child is a child, whether it looks like them or not.
Religion is one of the greatest factors that influences ideas. The idea of killing an embryo can be classified as murder to a large part of the population. Dolly the Sheep wasn't successfully created until after 276 failed attempts. That's only a mere number compared to the amount of embryos killed due to cloning. The fact that we can create and kill life goes against the very idea of God. People argue that God has a plan for all humans and for them to sexually reproduce. Since the beginning of time, humans have been granted the ability to sexually reproduce. If it's worked this long, who's to say we're to stop it now?Therefore, there should be a gap between knowing and believing.
awilliams1998

Pro

Whether or not an adoptive child fits in just as well as a genetically related child, there are couples who have a preference as to who is in their family. What needs to be understood is that not everyone lives a religious based life. When cloning becomes accepted, no one is obligated to test it out. People still have the choice to say no if that is what they stand by. If someone decides to go through with any type of cloning, it will not harm their neighbor in any way, shape, or form. Cloning will be done on a modest scale because not every family wants a clone for a child unless they have extreme circumstances. People will have the opportunity to have a family without having to suffer through painful infertility procedures that are common today, according to Health Research Funding. HSR also concluded that as humans continually reproduce, damage to the DNA lines increase causing mutations and defective genes. This could be eliminated with the cloning of healthy human cells. Like any other medical procedures, any patient will be made aware of everything they need to know to make the right decision for themselves.
Debate Round No. 4
sadamson11

Con

While the patient will be notified of what could go wrong, there are still many unknown consequences and risks relating to cloning. It is feared that the clone might age faster than the original individual because an older cell was used. Also, the patient may not truly understand the dangers involved. All in all, the idea of cloning is still so premature. We can't take the risk of damaging the process of evolution or individuality anymore. Like it was discussed in Round 2, parthenogenesis has been proven productive for patients. That process creates stem cells from pre-existing ones, too. It is also argued that scarce resources should not be wasted on the concentration of cloning while there are more pressing matters, like curing diseases. There are alternatives to cloning, unlike diseases. The fact of the matter is that cloning does not have a purpose or place in our society just yet compared to other, more important issues our society is facing.
awilliams1998

Pro

Cloning techniques have a long way to go, but just like any other medical advancement, it will improve with time and there will be a lot more known about it. Cloning can go beyond the boundaries than just humans, as well. Improve quality of crops by making them immune to herbicides pest damage infections and diseases. Cloned plants like wheat, rice, maize, soybean, and potato are ready to be put on market in the near future. If the need ever arose, i.e. famine, it could be used to produce large quantities of food for poorer countries. Statistics show that 70 to 80% of grain grown in the US goes to feeding our livestock, while people go hungry. Cloning crops could create a surplus amount of food that would be able to feed everyone. When used to the benefit of our health, knowledge, and happiness, cloning would be very beneficial to the world.
Debate Round No. 5
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