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College is a necessary prerequisite for a successful career

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Started: 6/27/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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JGHOSTBOY

Pro

The performance of an individual can only be measured accurately by his or her advancement in Education, Standardized Test Scores, GPA, College Degree, College League, Private Recommendations, and Community Service/Activities. These are all components of a resum" and a Curriculum Vitae, the two most significant determinants in Job Applications and Job Interviews. Material information, such as GPA and a College Degree, give a company an insight on how much a person is willing to work in order to achieve their goals and the amount of passion and expertise the person has in a specific field,and a variety of fields. Not only is College a measurable achievement, it is also a safeguard, a life skill, and an opportunity to advance upon a subject(s) of interest. A College Degree creates opportunities for progress.
henrymb

Con

I thank my opponent for this debate and look forward to it.


A college degree is not always required to have a successful career. Many times for certain licensed professions, such and a doctor or lawyer, a college degree is the required prerequisite. However, for a large number of professional careers, such as a news anchor, president and an astronaut, a college degree is not needed and may not be a wise path to success. The key elements to success, curiosity, drive and passion, can not be taught in college. Therefore, many people with these attributes do not have a college degree while being very successful people in their respective fields. For example,


Sir Richard Branson, billionaire founder of Virgin Group.

Bobby Fischer, chess master.

Sir John Major, Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

William Safire, columnist for the New York Times.

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brazilian president.

Peter Jennings, news anchor.

Scott Carpenter, astronaut.


This list goes on and on with people who have successful careers in a wide range of industries.


This list continues at:

http://overmanwarrior.wordpress.com... (The above list is pulled from this source.)

http://www.jeetbanerjee.com...

http://www.buzzfeed.com...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...


Education driven by curiosity, drive, and passion leads to success, rather than the cheapened and arbitrary degree that lands 53.6 percent of college grads under 25 unemployed and with an average of 35,000 dollars of debt.


Sources:

Ellis, Blake. "Class of 2013 Grads Average $35,200 in Loans, Credit Card Debt." CNNMoney. Cable News Network, 17 May 2013. Web. 27 June 2013.

Yen, Hope, Manuel Manuel Valdes, Travis Loller, Cristina Silva, and Sandra Chereb. "Half of Recent College Grads Underemployed or Jobless, Analysis Says." Cleveland.com. Associated Press, 23 Apr. 2012. Web. 27 June 2013.

Debate Round No. 1
JGHOSTBOY

Pro

It is my pleasure to take part in a debate with a good friend.

However, I would like to identify a significant discontinuity regarding topic relevance within your introductory paragraph. I quote, "The key elements to success, curiosity, drive and passion, cannot be taught in college." These "key elements" are unique characteristics of one's personalty, and are thus irrelevant to the subject of education and college; these not-so-necessary prerequisites cannot be taught in college and cannot be taught outside of college. Yet, although these traits, unique to human individuality, aspire success, they are only the foundation of success. The college experience as acts a catalyst for inspiration and a safeguard confidence. Comparatively, there are two types of lessons in college: One is academic study, a place to enrich intellect with knowledge, and the other is a life study. Even without a college degree, multiple life lessons are learned and applied within the various social and collaborative functions that a college student has to undertake. Hence, whatever slight relevance these personality traits have with college, are taught in college.

Another subsidiary predicament is some slight falsity of information. According to http://www.education-portal.com... and NASA's Astronaut Educational Requirements, a Bachelors Degree is an educational requirement for both a News Anchor and an Astronaut, and, as you did not specify the Nationality or Constitutional parameters of the aforementioned President (the rules for an American President are different than that of a Brazilian President, etc.), no accurate judgment can be made regarding the validity of your information. However, even though a college degree is required for those two jobs and many other professional careers, you have listed many successful people in professional fields who did not have college degrees, such as Scott Carpenter and William Safire. Yet, majority of these people actually did attend college and partook in the College experience, including Scott Carpenter and William Safire; they simply failed to get a degree. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg also took part in the College experience, except they never acquired their degree, meaning that the amount of legitimate exceptions in your list is significantly decreased in accordance to the established standards of this debate. Yet, exceptions still do remain. Please take the time to acknowledge the Merriam-Webster definitions of the words "necessary" and "exception,"

necessary: noun, Required to be done, achieved, or present; essential.

exception: noun, A person or thing that is excluded from a general statement or does not follow a rule.

In terms of probability, an exception does not overrule a necessity. This minute accumulation of exceptions compose barely 0.00000429% of the world's population and is thus an insignificant disturbance of a majority-controlled probability. If "College is a necessary prerequisite for a successful career" is the rule, then these people are exceptions to this rule and cannot be considered a significant rebut.
henrymb

Con

There are major redundancies in your first argument. You start saying these traits are “irrelevant to the subject of education and college” yet finish saying “whatever slight relevance these personality traits have.” Are they relevant or not? Additionally, you start by saying “these not-so-necessary prerequisites cannot be taught in college” and finish stating that these traits “are taught in college.” Can they be taught in college or not?

You oppose my examples of people with extremely successful careers because they are “exceptions.” While the number of people who have no college degree and have an extremely successful career may not be enormous nor is the amount of people who are extremely successful to begin with. There are however a large amount of jobs that provide successful careers without requiring a college degree or any college experience. Here I list some of the fourty most successful jobs that in most cases do not require college experience, according to Business Insider.

Transportation, storage, and distribution managers
Median annual wage (May 2010): $80,210

First-line supervisors of police and detectives
Median annual wage (May 2010): $78,260

Administrative services managers
Median annual wage (May 2010): $77,890

The median household income in the United States is $42,979.61 according to the U.S. Social Security Admiration. As you can see there are many jobs that do not require a college degree yet still pay well above the average salary. Therefore, you do not need a college degree to have a successful career. These are sufficient example to demonstrate this is an exception and therefore not a necessary prerequisite.

Sources:

Giang, Vivian. "The 40 Highest-Paying Jobs You Can Get Without A Bachelor's Degree." Business Insider. Business Insider, Inc., 7 Aug. 2012. Web. 02 July 2013.

"Social Security." National Average Wage Index. U.S. Social Security Admiration, n.d. Web. 02 July 2013.
Debate Round No. 2
JGHOSTBOY

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henrymb

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Debate Round No. 3
JGHOSTBOY

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henrymb

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by prunesquallor 3 years ago
prunesquallor
Your argument in itself is flawed on multiple levels. What is a successful career? Why should someone go by your definition of successful?

Furthermore, if the con gives even one example of a "successful career" without the need for college, you will crash and burn. Why? Because you used extremely strong words such as "necessary" and "prerequisite". I do not deny that college is important, but what you are saying is akin to asserting that "money is necessary prerequisite for living".

Anyhow, I'm sure there are sufficient examples that point out towards people with successful careers absent any involvement of college. And as I've already pointed out, even one example renders your argument moot.
Posted by Haxis288 3 years ago
Haxis288
Collage is not necaseey for every job but if you want a nice house and steak on the table than you should go to collage befor G.W.Bushe's No child left behind polociey collage wasnt requierd for most good jobs high school was good enough so Henery i agree with you for historical resons and also for the modern world too
Posted by henrymb 3 years ago
henrymb
This is not my day... Examples***** Sorry about that.
Posted by henrymb 3 years ago
henrymb
I made a typo in round 2. Here is the correction: These are sufficient example to demonstrate this is ***NOT*** an exception and therefore not a necessary prerequisite.
Posted by ArgentStorm 3 years ago
ArgentStorm
Henrymb's won this. Your assertion was that college was necessary for a successful career. By giving examples of people who have had successful careers sans college, he has shown that you are factually and demonstrably incorrect.
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