The Instigator
Superbarker
Con (against)
Losing
7 Points
The Contender
wjmelements
Pro (for)
Winning
29 Points

Communism is Inherently Bad

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wjmelements
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/12/2010 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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Superbarker

Con

This is a debate over the natural "goodness" vs. "badness" of communism. The definition to be used is as follows (from the New Oxford American Dictionary):
"communism (often Communism)
noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

I will let my opponent come to his/her reasons first, and proceed with my own arguments.

A huge thanks to whoever is willing to take me up on my first official debate!
wjmelements

Pro

My opponent, in the comments section, has provided the following definition of "bad":
-of poor quality; inferior or defective

Communism (as defined by my opponent) encompasses two ideas:
-Collectivism
-"Each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs"
The second statement has often been simplified to "From each according to their ability to each according to their need". The statement, then, is simply an extension of the collectivist principle.

There are several flaws with collectivist economic systems, but first, I will make a brief case for Individualism, the clear antithesis of Collectivism.

Individualism, in the form I advocate, holds that all individuals would be able to govern themselves and their property. The clear boundary in this liberty of self-governance is when it collides with another's self-governance. Therefore, a corollary of this fundamental individualist principle is that no other individual or group of individuals may commit violence or coercion against the person or property of another.
Such a system would allow each individual to pursue their own happiness, and so their satisfaction of their value-priorities will be more likely than if the individual was not free to pursue their own priorities.
Violence or coercion will only shift the priority of an individual from one value to another. This will mean that the individual's happiness can not be ensured.
If each individual is free to pursue their own values, each individual will be more satisfied. A collectivist system will not allow this; therefore, individualism is inferior to collectivism.

Now, I will identify the fatal flaw of collectivism. Collectivism eliminates incentive to produce by separating production and property. Because the individual does not own the produce of his or her labor, there is a free-rider problem in work ethic. Production decreases, and societal welfare regresses.

Therefore, individualism is preferable to communism. Because communism is inferior to individualism, it fits my opponent's definition of "bad". Therefore, the resolution is affirmed. Vote PRO.
Debate Round No. 1
Superbarker

Con

Superbarker forfeited this round.
wjmelements

Pro

Unfortunately, my opponent has forfeited a round. Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
Superbarker

Con

Superbarker forfeited this round.
wjmelements

Pro

Well darn. I was excited about this debate.

Communism has fundamental flaws and is both ethically and productively inferior to individualism. Vote PRO.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by sherlockmethod 7 years ago
sherlockmethod
All points Pro due to forfeit.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
Never mind.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
I don't think he'll forfeit.
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
I suspect a forfeit
Posted by Puck 7 years ago
Puck
What have you studied about Communism, Superbarker?
Posted by Superbarker 7 years ago
Superbarker
I said,"the natural 'goodness' vs. 'badness'" I will be attempting to prove it's goodness/not-badness.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
"good" is irrelevant to the resolution, but okay.
Posted by Superbarker 7 years ago
Superbarker
Again quoting from the New Oxford American Dictionary,"of poor quality; inferior or defective."

While I'm at it, here's my preferred for good, from the same source,"to be desired or approved of."
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
What is your preferred definition of 'bad'?
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