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mostlogical
Pro (for)
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The Contender
vi_spex
Con (against)
Winning
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Con Will Not Forfeit First

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vi_spex
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/28/2016 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 628 times Debate No: 88880
Debate Rounds (3)
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mostlogical

Pro

I agree with the statement "Con will not forfeit first".

Rules: must have completed a min of 10 debates, and be ranked as good or better than me
vi_spex

Con

i forfeit
Debate Round No. 1
mostlogical

Pro

Con has forfeited, and probably now thinks he has forfeited first, however it was not a race.

In order for someone or something to come first; someone or something must come second.

Thus, the only way my opponent can forfeit first is if I forfeit afterwards.

I will not forfeit, therefore Con will not forfeit first and my statement is true
vi_spex

Con

forfeit is not a race, i am the last to forfeit in this debate to

last comes after first

i did forfeit
Debate Round No. 2
mostlogical

Pro

Yes you did forfeit, and I do agree with what you say about last coming after first.

However you are not the last one to forfeit nor the first to forfeit; you are the ONLY person to have forfeited.

There was no other forfeit before or after your own, meaning you can't be first to forfeit.

A parent with one child might say 'he is my first kid' to express he wants more kids. The parent may even say 'he is my last kid' to express he doesn't want another kid. However by expressing his feelings in this way he'd cause other more rational people to think he has other children, because last comes after first, and first comes before last.

Thanks for accepting this debate
vi_spex

Con

the only person to be first and last to forfeit in this debate, thats me, i con

one can set a limit to the amount of children they want.. therfore the first can easily be the last
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
you find no mercy at the slap of my tentacle
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
poor...*
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
it should show pure conduct only to limit yourself unnecessarily... like by any rule i dont follow
Posted by Briannj17 1 year ago
Briannj17
Sure sure vispex....wtf?
Posted by triangle.128k 1 year ago
triangle.128k
vi spex is the best debater on debate.org
Posted by Briannj17 1 year ago
Briannj17
"and be ranked as good or better than me"
Well he is not ranked as good or better than you and yes it should be impossible for him to accept but glitches happen all the time. Rules are set for a reason and it shows poor conduct to break them.
Posted by Briannj17 1 year ago
Briannj17
"and be ranked as good or better than me"
Well he is not ranked as good or better than you and yes it should be impossible for him to accept but glitches happen all the time. Rules are set for a reason and it shows poor conduct to break them.
Posted by mostlogical 1 year ago
mostlogical
Vispex shouldn't lose any conduct points, he was able to accept the debate when it was created. It would have been impossible for him to accept it if he didn't meet the criteria.
Posted by Briannj17 1 year ago
Briannj17
Of course he should lose conduct because he is not ranked better than you.
Posted by Briannj17 1 year ago
Briannj17
Haha vispex is correct in round two. He is both the first and the last to forfeit therefore he should win.
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Vote Placed by HSamei1999 1 year ago
HSamei1999
mostlogicalvi_spexTied
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeited first. Pro's argument was that Con is the only one to forfeit and therefore cannot be first as he is the only. This is a fallacy as if there is only one then it is both the first and last, and whatever else you desire to attribute to it. Con forfeited, pro did not so con forfeited before anyone else in the debate making him the first. The resolution is therefore negated and Con wins
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeited first, negating the resolution. Pro's argument that being the first to forfeit implies that there are also others who forfeited. Since there is nobody else who forfeited, then Con cannot be the first. But that doesn't necessarily follow. As Con pointed out, no one forfeited before Con, hence Con was the first who forfeited. This is compatible with the meaning of being the first, so it is true. Therefore, arguments go to Con. By the way, Con's forfeiture was not a misconduct, it was a part of their arguments. Therefore, conduct is a tie..
Vote Placed by dsjpk5 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeited first, thereby negating the resolution.