Concept of God
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Debate about concept of God in the Quran & Bible.
im muslim and i think the concept of god in the quran is outruns the concept in the bible. so this debate for christains or jews according to the bible.
according the concept of God we can determine the level of that specific religion. the more its has a disadvantages and its sound irrational the more its becomes fictional. here my reasons...
- Does God sleep?
Then the Lord awoke as from sleep,
as a man wakes from the stupor of wine.
Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep?
Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever.
Allah! There is no Allah save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him.
- Gods power
Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, [a] because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
They measure not God with His true measure; surely God is All-strong, All-mighty.
- Does God relax?
for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work
We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.
- Can God be Seen?
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.
These verses contradict with
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.
- God's Description
2 Samuel 22:9-11
9 Smoke rose from his nostrils;
consuming fire came from his mouth,
burning coals blazed out of it.
He mounted the cherubim (young bueatiful angels) and flew;
he soared on the wings of the wind.
In that day the Lord will shave with a razor that is hired beyond the River—with the king of Assyria—the head and the hair of the feet, and it will sweep away the beard also.
Therefore do not give likenesses to Allah; surely Allah knows and you do not know.
- Is God Just?
6 then know that God has wronged me
and drawn his net around me.
7 "Though I cry, 'I've been wronged!' I get no response;
though I call for help, there is no justice.
Verily, God wrongs not man at all, but men do wrong themselves.
Surely Allah does not do injustice to the weight of an atom, and if it is a good deed He multiplies it and gives from Himself a great reward.
- Does God eat?
18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him (with 2 angels... 18:5/8 and they did eat."
Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?"
- God Commands Shameful Deeds?
at that time the LORD spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to him, "Take off the sackcloth from your body and the sandals from your feet." And he did so, going around stripped and barefoot. Then the LORD said, "Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,
Behold, I will rebuke your offspring, and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it.
And you shall eat it as a barley cake, baking it in their sight on human dung."
When they do aught that is shameful, they say: "We found our fathers doing so"; and "Allah commanded us thus": Say: "Nay, Allah never commands what is shameful: do ye say of Allah what ye know not?"
- God punishing
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
'If also after these things you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Allah is never unjust in the least degree: If there is any good (done), He doubleth it, and giveth from His own presence a great reward.
Whoever comes [on the Day of Judgement] with a good deed will have better than it; and whoever comes with an evil deed - then those who did evil deeds will not be recompensed except [as much as] what they used to do.
- God having a son
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son
"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
"They say: 'God hath begotten a son' :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.
At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
- Is God unhelpful?
Why do you hide your face
and forget our misery and oppression?
Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides God? Little it is that ye heed!
- Qur'an made the concept of god seem mysterious, which makes foreign people to believe in 'Allah' unrealistic. Which just goes against with Qur'an itself again. Because Qur'an claims that only muslims can enter heaven.
Also, it is totally natural for a human being to not believe in something that he ;
has not felt,
has not seen,
has not heard,
is inferior than.
So If we think for a minute, Yes. There are things that we should be thankful for, but whom ? Is it Allah ? Or is it someone whom we witnessed their mercy and good will.
Again with all due respect, I believe that Qur'an was written wide open for a lot of misunderstandings as it does not involve any specific information.
So the thing we must be questioning should not be ' Who is the right god ? ' it should be 'Why god ? '
Dude, first of all you say are athiest, you are not qualified so are ruining the debate. we dont need to know that you are ex-muslim
or that the Qur'an has LOTS of contradictions and marrige is not the issue here. if you have problem with the Quran go to ferums and write there whatever you want and dont ruin peoples debates.
so you are a chicken.
What are you stupid or what? why you ruining the debate? go to forums what do you want from me here its not the right place, althoight u got easy stuff to answer. please go to forums and cast there all things your mind getting on.
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Vote Placed by Geogeer 2 years ago
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