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Consciousness Could've Happened by Mistake

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Started: 1/7/2018 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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cav1wtf

Con

Cells are not conscious beings, at least as far as we understand. But yet they still work in a complex system. Animals which have a lesser consciousness than us can still catch things, and they are able to jump from branch to branch. As far as we are aware, our consciousness developing could be just as random as the universe developing. Physics, Biology, and Chemistry in a way explain complex systems and how they move towards a goal as well. Are they conscious?
Furyan5

Pro

Everything in the universe lends towards entropy. Everything, except life. Life seems, for the moment anyway, to be moving in the opposite direction. Becoming more complex. I believe that consciousness is an inevitable emergent property of any complex system. It didn't happen by mistake.

I look forward to hearing my opponents arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
cav1wtf

Con

Entropy is randomness. How is life itself not random? Our cells just happened to become complex, it doesn't take away the fact that it happened randomly. Consciousness's inevitability could be seen as inevitable because everything that can happen, eventually will. One day our brains were able to handle enough information so that we could think and act consciously. In that same respect, Humans will one day figure out how to amass information and create true artificial intelligence.
Furyan5

Pro

You've already answered your own question. Given the size of the universe, everything that can happen, will happen. A mistake implies that there's a purpose and something unplanned occured. If life is a random event, then there is no purpose to it. Therefore consciousness couldn't happen by mistake.
Debate Round No. 2
cav1wtf

Con

But here's the thing, what if we create the purpose to it? What if that is the reason for us to keep on living? When we became conscious, someone could've decided to kill themselves and everyone else. But they didn't because they decided it was wrong. If a powerful enough person wanted everyone to die, that would have happened. Our consciousness could've happened by mistake, and the only way for us to endure our existence is to create a reason for it.
Furyan5

Pro

Survival instinct is a feature of the reptilian brain. Passed on through evolution. Seeking a purpose for our existence is a product of consciousness and even without having a purpose can not overpower instincts. We don't decide what's right and wrong. We're taught that certain things are either right or wrong. We are the product of our physiology and our past experiences. Consciousness is not an accident, but an inevitable result of evolution.

Thanks for the debate.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by dsjpk5 6 months ago
dsjpk5
You two are arguing backwards.
Posted by canis 6 months ago
canis
I really have nothing to comment. Maybe on "mistake"..
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