Consciousness is non-physical, and self-aware.
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Define "mind"... a brain? My understanding is that mind is the seat of consciousness (intangible) and not the tangible matter of a brain. A mind would use a brain's functions to process consciousness and make itself observable or reflective. Mind is a tool of consciousness, and consciousness itself intangible and not physical. Consciousness in the seat of the mind exists non-physically. Expressions observed or defined are elements of consciousness, which are manifest physically. The information that consciousness allows for matter to exist, is confirmed only by observation or being defined. Nothingness, when defined or expressed is a word written or spoken audibly. Nothingness by definition is an idea of consciousness that is real. Nothingness in itself is zero-point or non-expression, or unknown blackness and not light. Consciousness is information that is non-physical until vocalized or written or transmitted, or in the electromagnetic spectrum of light. Those are all only physical transmissions of consciousness utilizing matter, which itself is physical. Consciousness is an example of what is non-physical. If matter is required for consciousness to exist as we observe it, then consciousness is, will be, and always has been non-existent as a non-physical nothingness. Without a brain, there is still consciousness, and mind. How otherwise did we evolve into being if consciousness is not non-physical and self-aware?
This is a philosophical argument and not in the science category. I think the Con is speaking about a scientific device that measures only the electrical impulses of a brain, not consciousness itself. I'm speaking about Epistemology and the scope of knowledge and where it may or may not exist, in an ether or other non-existence, so far as we can fathom it.
Think of wireless technology as an analogy for information that travels across space. Information is traveling wireless from one device to another. Our brains are only receivers and transmitters that can process information like a wireless device, say a "smart phone". A mind could be that phone and a brain it's battery and electrical components, but the information traveling across space and time is only riding on wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum of light as we know it. That information is consciousness in the seat of the mind. All of knowledge would contain what consciousness experiences traveling through space transparently and as well through mind and within a body (brain).
Information from knowledge formed over billions of years culminating in life as we know it. That information formed into the first elements constituting DNA and RNA, if one were to look at it in a biological sense or scientifically. Knowledge obviously does not go about the universe entropic ally in disorder, because there is clearly the formation of order in our universe and we reflect upon that order observing it. I'm also arguing that consciousness still exists without my brain firing electrical impulses and long after humans are extinct. Knowledge can utilize a mind and a heart and exist within the reactions one feels with more electrical impulses in their gut than in their brain, where we think more than we feel. We're merely sentient beings, like transmitters senders and receivers of consciousness from a bank of knowledge using a mind and a brain. I argue with all my heart that it as well can receive and send information as well as my other senses in it's own way.
Consciousness, Love, and other forces in the universe manifest life as we observe it and in many ways for which we cannot measure or observe infinitesimally and incalculably minute. We do observe that forces in nature behave differently in different environments. Our rules of matter in this 3rd dimension do not observe the same rules of matter in the subatomic reality. This is far more complex than the difference between gravity on the Moon as opposed to on Earth. We would be vain to think that we're the only ones to hold consciousness in our brains independently from all things, including our dependence on the Sun, for not only warmth and light, but in that light from the Sun is the information granted for a plant to have information for growth through photosynthesis. And without that plant we cannot process our expelled carbon dioxide back into oxygen.
Consciousness is an invisible life force on it's own self-aware in any form it manifests itself as. It exists in plants and other matter that does not have a brain. That life force always exist before there was matter and after all matter. Consciousness forms life as we know it. Without it, our brains would not have the fuel to fire those electrical impulses my contender's psychologist measures. Consciousness is free energy, like free electricity for your Leaf electric car. Our brains process the free energy and create more ideas to put back into consciousness and the bank of knowledge while life continues to evolve in different forms. Consciousness itself has no vehicle of it's own, nor needs a vehicle. It can form matter or become transparent. Consciousness is shared, and built upon and forms beings and matter, but is in itself formless and non-physical. One can only touch or observe brain matter, but one cannot touch or see thoughts. They have no weight or material substance to them and cause no friction. Only one's neurons and dendrites are physical matter that can be observed firing. Therefore, consciousness is non-physical, and self-aware, on it's own, independently from humans or other evolved creatures with brains. Consciousness to evolved in many forms before brains came into being.
It's like a vast storage and retrieval system or "psi bank" of knowledge. We breathe oxygen and live in an atmosphere. We also think - and our fuel, like oxygen, is also a formless consciousness, but it is non-physical, whereas oxygen is a molecular substance.
I hope to win the hearts and minds of those voting on this. Vote Pro that Consciousness is non-physical, and self-aware.
But I may. Without the spirit, there is nothing that makes the mind work.
Being an alive and aware conscious individual being, or animal is one thing, and consciousness "throughout" all other matter is another. Take this as an analogy - the electromagnetic spectrum of light as we know it as the vehicle for consciousness to travel - is the idea I'm arguing. Our mind and bodies are the vehicles - which use air, water, food, and consciousness to survive. Radio waves and other spectrum of light in the electromagnetic field carry information in ways that are material with subatomic particles, photons and neutrons, or even neutrinos (electrically neutral). If all living mammals, animals, and other plant life as we know it are seemingly dead because there is no observed electrical firing or growth happening we can sense, this does not exclude consciousness from permeating all things transparently and being in and of itself non-physically. This universe is evolving chaotically, yet in order.
Supernatural phenomenon, superstitions, and incredulous belief in faith combined with ritual are the powers of religions. I don't deny the truths of religions. Philosophy may be akin to religion in some sense of belief, but follows an evolution of reasoning over time that sets precedent ideas for the foundation of knowledge. Those ideas that stand the test of time as we know it remain true. Science itself, by definition, defines truths based on empirical evidence we observe, as well as following rules of mathematics. The universe is as chaotic as it is orderly, so all truth is not based in analogous problem solving. Probability and Statistics are the only mathematics applicable to philosophy perhaps. One age old reliable truth of reasoning in philosophy states, "The only thing that is constant is change" - Heraclitus.
With hope, I've not just persuaded anyone reading this that consciousness is ever present self-aware, seamlessly transparent, and non-physical in our Universe, but they are able to sense that to be true themselves undeniably.
I suppose the idea of going to heaven or hell is open to another debate in the religious category or metaphysical one. For the sake of your religious argument and believing in the theory of a heaven and hell, it sounds like a fearsome tale. Religare means to bind up the broken off parts that have fallen off. In the sense of religion, to bind the broken off parts of society gone astray or lost. The fearsome tale of going to hell unless one believes in the herd, is interesting.
I think to myself, might as well believe, just to spare myself the chance of ending up in Dante's inferno with all that pain and suffering. The only pain and suffering I know of is not being honest with oneself and to believe in oneself, as well as others. It's difficult to honestly know how to have compassion for others unless one has been through some form of hardship and came out of it by learning to have compassion for their own self. Either people are of the nature to get the better of others or to do well toward others. Those that do well toward others seem to be happier, more conscientious, healthier themselves, and continue with good intention. Heaven and hell both exist in the eternal ring of fire, as they do here on Earth. If suffering and fear were non-existent, we would not know the validity of being alive and that love it is real to us, so that is a gift in itself.
I will state one thing. You claim that one mind is shared between everyone in the world. This philosophy says that my consiousness is shared with someone else. This would support a claim stating that everyone knows the difference between right and wrong or knows what is good and bad. However, there are people in the world who have completely different ideas of right and wrong. Many with mental illnesses have different concepts of these things. Yet, you claim that everyone shares one conscience.
I believe that everyone has a conscience of their own and it is based on what a person has learned to be socially acceptable. I believe that the spirit plays a role in the actions of the person as well as the development of the conscience.
No, known of this can be proved and if it can, I will not prove it anyway.
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