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harry212001
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YoshiBoy13
Con (against)
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Conservatives are better than the Lib Dems

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YoshiBoy13
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/26/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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harry212001

Pro

First off the Lib Dems are lazy: they can't even be bothered to make their web address their full name: libdems.org.uk it should be liberaldemocrats.org.uk I'm bored of typing now so bai.
YoshiBoy13

Con

| First off the Lib Dems are lazy: they can't even be bothered to make their web address their full name: libdems.org.uk
Well, by that logic, so are you. You can't even be bothered to use their full name in the motion or in the arguments. Lib Dems is an acceptable shortening of the term - and the longer version opens itself to many typo possibilities. Hardly anyone, except when being formal, ever uses the full length. Besides, when's the last time you heard someone say "United Kingdom Independence Party" as opposed to just UKIP?
Debate Round No. 1
harry212001

Pro

harry212001 forfeited this round.
YoshiBoy13

Con

I extend my rebuttals due to forfeiture on Pro's part.
Debate Round No. 2
harry212001

Pro

Are you seriously comparing the United Kingdom Independence Party to the Liberal Democrats. Liberal Democrats are supposed to be serious, not like the United Kingdom Independence Party who are frankly a joke.
My second point is that the Liberal Democrats' main promise was to bring electoral reform, unless i've been living in a parallel universe for the last five years that hasn't happened. The Conservatives however brought the economy back from the ruins of Labour and limited immigration from when Labour said "Hey we love all of you, come live in Britain.
YoshiBoy13

Con

| Are you seriously comparing the United Kingdom Independence Party to the Liberal Democrats.
I am in the sense that both use abbreviations in website names, and more people use the abbreviations than the full term itself.

| Liberal Democrats are supposed to be serious, not like the United Kingdom Independence Party who are frankly a joke.
Unsupported assertion/opinion. UKIP, to Nigel Farage, at least, is not a joke, and happens to be the most influention position he's held in his life. Unless, of course, Farage thinks that a joke is still funny even if the punchline is delayed by 22 years.

| Liberal Democrats' main promise was to bring electoral reform, unless i've been living in a parallel universe for the last five years that hasn't happened
You haven't. And yes, electoral reform has not happened so far, but that is because Nick Clegg hasn't been Prime Minister so far. Maybe he has in your parallel universe, but as far as I know, David Cameron is the current PM. It's like asking the Green party why they haven't yet created a "a just, equitable and sustainable society" (ref 1). They just haven't been in a position to get it into practice yet. Natalie Bennett isn't Prime Minister yet either.
Neither the Lib Dems nor the Greens (read: Green Party of England and Wales) have been in a position to introduce such a measure. Electoral reform would create representation in Parliament similar to the current polling - 30-ish% for the Conservatives. The Conservatives would have to pass the bill, and they'd rather have a 40% standing than a 30% one. Obviously, they wouldn't let it through.
The Conservatives, to improve their own standing in the House of Commons, have made sure that truly proportional voting will not happen.
Debate Round No. 3
harry212001

Pro

harry212001 forfeited this round.
YoshiBoy13

Con

I extend my arguments (again) due to forfeiture. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
tejretics
Below is the RFD for my vote.
Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
tejretics
Conduct to Con because of Pro's FF. Pro spelled "bye" as "bai", and their lack of punctuation really hurt readability. "Are you seriously comparing the United Kingdom Independence Party to the Liberal Democrats." Once more, there is a full stop instead of a question mark, making it really difficult to read. "My second point is that the Liberal Democrats' main promise was to bring electoral reform, unless i've been living in a parallel universe for the last five years that hasn't happened." How can a parallel universe "happen"? I can barely understand Pro here. "First off the Lib Dems are lazy: they can't even be bothered to make their web address their full name:" - 2 colons in the same sentence without any grammatical sequence or punctuation to address a difference between these marks. "libdems.org.uk it should be liberaldemocrats.org.uk" - the "it" here also really hurts readability. Arguments: Having abbreviations is hardly something to be considered "better", and that was Pro's only argument. Con did not use semantics, instead using derivative logic in their rebuttals that successfully acted as refutations. Con also used policy to present *some* proof, as opposed to Pro, who technically had *full BoP*. The enforcement of policy will take time to push into development; the Conservatives also have *not* completely enforced their policy into their administration; furthermore, they have been in power longer. It is the administrative scheme that fulfills the *manifesto*, not the party's *policy*, that matters, as pointed out by Con. Arguments to Con. Sources: Con used the *ONLY* source, presented in the comments section.
Posted by YoshiBoy13 1 year ago
YoshiBoy13
Round 3 Reference 1: http://policy.greenparty.org.uk...
Posted by YoshiBoy13 1 year ago
YoshiBoy13
"I'm bored of typing now so bai."
That's representative of the standard of arguments I'll be faced with?
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by tejretics 1 year ago
tejretics
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Reasons for voting decision: RFD in comments.