Consumption of alcohol is not a sin.
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MikeyMike
| Started: | 2/22/2012 | Category: | Religion |
| Updated: | 1 year ago | Status: | Post Voting Period |
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 Pro I will be debating that the consumption of alcoholic beverages is not inherently a sin in regards to the Bible of Christianity. Any generally known orthodox of Christianity can be used so long as it follows the Holy Bible, 66 books, common Bible in use today. Sin: A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate. Consume: eat, drink, or ingest (food or drink). Inherent: existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute. First round for acceptance, and for my opponent to post his/her argument if he/she so chooses. Let's make this a good debate, no equivicating, or silly semantic tactics. Good luck to my opponent in our mental jousting.  Con |
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Pro Lmao to my opponent, a thousand thanks for the good troll. Seeing as my agreed, I don't have to post a strong argument, or any argument at all for that matter, but what the heck, cheers to overachieving. Jesus turned water into wine. John 2:1-11-1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine." 4 "Woman,[a] why do you involve me?" Jesus replied. "My hour has not yet come."5His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.7 Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.8 Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him (1). Wine is presented in a positive light multiple times in the Bible. Psalms 104:14-15-He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate--bringing forth food from the earth (2):wine that gladdens the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread that sustains his heart (3). Ecclesiastes 9:7-Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for it is now that God favors what you do (4). Alcohol consumption is perfectly fine if done in moderation. Proverbs 23:20-Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, (5). Ephesians 5:18-Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit (6). Sources: 1.http://www.biblegateway.com... 2.http://bible.cc... 3.http://bible.cc... 4.http://bible.cc... 5.http://bible.cc... 6.http://bible.cc... Con |
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Vote Placed by imabench 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: turns out the con is a multi-accounting troll, all points to the pro
Vote Placed by Neonix 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Incredible. Almost looks like a clone account debate, but I think this one actually ended with genuine admitted defeat.
Vote Placed by Zaradi 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Reason for my voting decision required? Has it seen what actually happened in the debate round? Screw that. I refuse.
Vote Placed by wiploc 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: forfeit
Vote Placed by Wallstreetatheist 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Concession
Vote Placed by Xerge 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: concession
Vote Placed by popculturepooka 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pretty self-explanatory.
Vote Placed by ConservativePolitico 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con was polite.
Vote Placed by johnnyboy54 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Not sure about other denominations, but Catholicism never states that the consumption of alcohol is a sin. Drunkedness maybe but not the consumption of alcohol.
Vote Placed by Maikuru 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Close one.
alcohol itself isn't sin, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have drank wine.
Not quite, Gileandos is actually using "observation" 1 of "human experience" as evidence. And human experience is one of the avenues of truth.
1 Oran, Daniel, Oran's Dictionary of the Law, pg. 189, Evidence: All types of information (observations, recollections, documents,
concrete objects, etc)
Hm, oh I see, "the sole authority model:faith against learning" approach. Unfortunate indeed. Your basically saying that faith and learning are antagonistic? Nice. The negative side to that approach your taking is that of the tendency to go against God's general revelation. You do do know there is special and general revelation, right? General revelation represents knowledge from the world literature and science and indeed all human learning and experience. 1
1. Cosgrove, P. Mark, "Foundations of Christian Thought," p. 55-56
Ad Hominem
"because NEVER in my argument did I argue that the Bible encourages "full strength" drinking."
You might as well have when you you said in plain English this statement, "The Bible portrays wine as a means of social drinking, and to eat with food. The same way many of us do currently." Which I already clearly pointed out is false. Again. you really do not actually believe people today mix wine with water today, or any drinks for that matter do you? O.o
"My argument was that THE ACTION OF ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION IS NOT A SIN IN AND OF ITSELF. Why that's so difficult to understand baffles me..."
Unmixed drinks which is "strong drinks" by Biblical definition is indeed sin. What baffles me is that a pagan has better sense.