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Started: 10/22/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Geographia

Pro

This is an open choice topic. The Contender may choose a topic, either from a Pro/Con position in the comments, or in a PM with me. Standard "DDO rules" apply.


The one thing about this is that voting is STRICTLY off-limits, this shouldn't be a issue, however, as only TUF, airmax and bladerunner have the ability to vote.

If you are one of the above, do not vote. This is a debate, not a contest.
JCB_Penguin

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Okay not 'Aliens' but complicated and intelligent life forms.
I am not denying that among the vast amount of earth-like planets in the universe there will be microorganisms but at least in our galaxy there can not be any complex life forms as if they were indeed any complex life forms we would have seen signs of them by now as it is feasibly possible for such a life form to create a device that could be used to populate them selves across the Galaxy. Advanced computer modelling has proved that these self-replicating alien probes would be able to populate and explore the entire Galaxy in just 10 million years, a tiny amount of time in astronomical terms, even if they could only travel 10% of the speed of light!
Debate Round No. 1
Geographia

Pro

Okay not 'Aliens' but complicated and intelligent life forms.

Very well, that's reasonable.

I am not denying that among the vast amount of earth-like planets in the universe there will be microorganisms but at least in our galaxy there can not be any complex life forms as if they were indeed any complex life forms we would have seen signs of them by now as it is feasibly possible for such a life form to create a device that could be used to populate them selves across the Galaxy.

But here is a problem. It is a Gamblers' Fallacy to assume that if there is no life on Mars or the next Star System, there is a greater chance of life in the next bigger area. Even then, it is cherry picking to say that they haven't advanced far enough, as in the vastness in space, there should be some sign of life, via Fermi's paradox.

Advanced computer modelling has proved that these self-replicating alien probes would be able to populate and explore the entire Galaxy in just 10 million years, a tiny amount of time in astronomical terms, even if they could only travel 10% of the speed of light!

Given that a Galaxy near us has a star and planets that is similar to the Soar System, and that there are older Solar Systems, they should be possible to explore the Galaxy and chew the fat coming over here and we still could have seen them. In fact, looking up in these "Von Neumann" probes[1] that are designed to make more of themselves and explore the galaxy, I learned they can explore a galaxy in as little as half a million years, in theory of course[2]. Even if these probes have to go galaxy to galaxy, they can fully explore 20 galaxy's in ~11 million years, counting travel time, and stacking that with the chance there are multiple Alien Races, we must be unlucky not to find them.




[1]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[2] http://adsabs.harvard.edu...
JCB_Penguin

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Posted by Geographia 2 years ago
Geographia
W-well I hoped you didn't accept quite yet, but maybe a fresh topic that's easy to debate. Alien's are still a bit 'unscientific'. And that microbes been found I believe.
Posted by JCB_Penguin 2 years ago
JCB_Penguin
I would like to debate the subject of: do aliens exist?
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