Convince me of your god
With all these gods come the rules that they would have us follow... and our eternity could possibly hang in the balance depending on what we believe in our short and yet dragging lives.
I want you to convince me of your god... that your god is more true than your neighbor's god.
I in turn, will do what I can with my current knowledge to show you the errors in your reasoning.
Please leave your petty text-based arguments out of the conversation... You're better than that.
This is not a challenge for the feeble...
I'm not pretentious... I swear.
(this is a casual logic event)
I thank Pro for instigating this great debate & I accept the challenge.
A Purpose (A goal to achieve): It is always been a mind boggling to me that every creature is born with the knowledge of what he should do and what is his propose in life, and how to maintain himself while improving his environment, except the human race they are gifted on how to complicate their life’s while destroying themselves and everything around them.
So obviously the human race is not created mainly to provide or maintain the environment for other creatures, but their main purpose as a thinking species is to seek their creator and worship him.
That is in short what Allah is? What is his unique attributes? And why he created us?
- "All of God's attributes are active and working in us and around us, some of us will think and contemplate on them feel them and see them, some will ignore and never think or notice them, but one of God's attributes is "to Create", and without a constant creations God is not a creator, and we are a part of what God created, and just like everything else we need a place, a direction"
This statement describes so many different gods and brings nothing to the debate.
- "The Earth! everything on it is made from it, it is the perfect place for the human race to live and enjoy all its wonders and creatures, and the shield of the skies for protection, the sun, the moon and everything we need to prosper and grow, while learning and advancing."
I do hope that the optimism in this statement reflects a happy and healthy mental state.
When you display only a few parts of the picture, you can make a very nice and much smaller picture. You appear to forget that the universe contains everything that we know. If you can think of a horrible thing that might be reality, then it very likely is reality and has very likely happened more than once, especially if relating to human experiences. Think of the people being raped at this very moment that you are reading this, and every moment of the rest of your life. Reality is not perfect. Nowhere close. When you get tired of realizing that reality, try spending some time understanding other uncomfortable realities. Confront your fears... confront yourself. You don't need to hide your mind. Reality is comforting once you begin to experience it.
When made aware of reality, the idea of any sort of "perfect place" is very far from the present truth that we experience. Everything works as it should, but it has no favor towards any of us.
The fact that you are alive right now means nothing and everything. It's a part of reality.
- "Muslims believe that there are more than 124 thousands Prophets and massagers has been chosen by God to guide people and nations throughout history from the first prophet Adam (pbuh) to the last prophet and messenger Muhammad (pbuh) with scriptures and revelations to convey the same massage that God is 1 and only, God is absolute unchanged, that he cannot beget nor is borne, and there is nothing can be compared to him."
Another text based argument with no grounds in reality to someone who may live in another part of the world. To those who can not read and have no other believers of X faith to listen to, how would they determine that your way is superior?
- "It is always been a mind boggling to me that every creature is born with the knowledge of what he should do and what is his propose in life, and how to maintain himself while improving his environment, except the human race they are gifted on how to complicate their life"s while destroying themselves and everything around them."
Do you really believe this?
- "So obviously the human race is not created mainly to provide or maintain the environment for other creatures, but their main purpose as a thinking species is to seek their creator and worship him."
Your god sounds petty and selfish from this line alone. It creates an entire intricate universe that it has no intention of maintaining just to hear a lesser form of intelligence worship him? This sounds familiar as well.
Again, you have failed to set your god apart from the others.
If every version of your holy book were to vanish, is the idea of your god powerful enough to exist without texts?
First I would like to thank my opponent for his respond to my opening, and again for starting this interesting debate.
Before I start my answers in this round I would like to remind my opponent and the readers that I’m debating about my God not my faith or my religion , but none less I will touch on them to clarify issues and misconceptions if requested of me to do so.
“Text-based arguments mean very little and were requested to remain absent.”
I agreed and I tried to keep away from referencing any verses to support my points, although it seems that Allah (swt) attributes are verses from the Qur’an, frankly they are not, the attributes are scattered in all the 114 chapters, and they are essential to distinct Allah (swt) from other Gods.
“I want to know what sets your beliefs apart from all the others in an a defined way.”
Even though the topic of “what my belief is” deferent than “why my God is Unique?” as I expressed earlier, But I will clarify more, My belief is called “Islam” meaning “Peacefully submitting one’s self to God” it is pure monotheistic Abrahamic faith, it is very distinct from other beliefs because it establishes a true and pure Idea of the oneness of God (no partners, helpers or associates), pure monotheism (no Sons, Daughter or Wife), with infinite power and ability to God (he don’t tire or sleep, he don’t need rest or get bored) which clearly support the name Allah (swt) as a unique name, Islamic faith differentiate itself from other believes because it requires 5 actions to be completed (the 5 pillars of Islam) 1- Saying and believing the words “There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is the massager of Allah” 2- Performing the 5 daily prayers, 3- Giving the yearly charity to the poor, 4- Fasting the month of Ramadan, 5- performing at least once in life the pilgrimage to Mecca if health and finances permits it.
Islam also makes it clear to its followers that they are all equal in the sight of God no one is better than the other except in piety and righteousness, that man and woman are equal but deferent in duties and responsibilities so they strengthen each other’s weakness, that we all shepherds and each is responsible about His/hers dependents and will be held accountable (from the man and woman for their home and kids, to the presidents and kings for their countries and people), which is also sets Islam (as a religion and a way of life) unique amongst other religions.
“This statement describes so many different gods and brings nothing to the debate.”
It brings to the debate Allah (swt) unique perspective of why everything was created before man, while repairing, providing and helping man achieve his purpose to exist.
“I do hope that the optimism in this statement reflects a happy and healthy mental state.”
Thanks for the sarcasm, but I think you failed to see my point which is, everything around us is perfect and has a clear understanding of purpose, while the majority of Humans in this time and age can’t even answer a simple question like “Why am I here?”
“Think of the people being raped at this very moment that you are reading this, and every moment of the rest of your life. Reality is not perfect.”
Reality is what we make it to be, it is hard, insane and ugly I agree but still it is our choices that created it for ourselves, do we have enough laws and Guidance to stop it? Yes we do but WE (as individuals) chose not to, Why God don’t stop such insanity? Because if he do then where is our choice? And what is the point of us to exist if we have no choice in our actions (Good or evil)?
Also you misunderstood the word "perfect place" with “man nature”.
“Your god sounds petty and selfish from this line alone.” I disagree, you are limiting the word “Worshipping” to what actions or words performed by believers, which is stereotype opinion, also it forces me to speak about Islam and Not my God, and my time and the availbe space here is limited.
“If every version of your holy book were to vanish, is the idea of your god powerful enough to exist without texts?”
This is a great Question, and the answer is yes, here is some points;
1- His name is Unique and truly represent him “Allah” is a name never used through history to represent anything else but the Creator name, it can’t be made plural as the word “Gods”, nor it represent Gender as the words “God or Goddess”.
2- He created Time and Space, and he is not limited by them, controlled by them or in any way affected by them.
3- He does not resemble humans, Objects or images; no Imagination can do him fair nor truly describes him.
4- He does not require sleep, nor does He get tired or inpatient, All of his creations believes and actions will not increases his abilities or powers, neither our disbelieve and actions would decrease his abilities or powers.
I belive I have answerd Logically why My God "Allah" (swt) is supreame and Unique in many aspects to other man made Gods.
Allah Guides me and you to the straight path.
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haven't I conveyed the message? Allah is my witness.
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