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lexkidxd
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Idalismxo
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Courts have the responsibility to create racially balanced schools

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Started: 5/22/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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lexkidxd

Con

Negative assertion: Race should not be used as a basis for school assignment

Evidence: Students attend a school that is 80% white, while 70% of black students attend schools where nearly two-thirds of students are black and spanish.

Evidence: Schools force teachers to teach kids they dont want to teach.

Evidence: Any policy based on race is a violation of every childs 14th amendment.

Evidence: Desegregation does not speak to dropout rates that hover near 50% for black and hispanic students.

Assertion #2: Courts have the power to reduce the effects of racial discrimination.

Evidence: People were still fighting.

Evidence: People who live in a particular neighborhood.

Evidence: A court can make a decision but can not change peoples minds.

Assertion #3: To create a desegregated school system, a judge should not be able to tell parents where their children must attend school.

Evidence: The mayor thinks the new plan will create quality and equality in schools.

Evidence: A mayors job is to run the city , not the judge.

Evidence: A mayors decision is way more important than a judges decision.
Idalismxo

Pro

Affirmative assertion #1: In 1974 ordered busing was the only way to desegregate Boston public schools.

Evidence: White students had to get on busses as well as blacks.
Evidence: Blacks tried other stragities for schools but didn't have enough money.
Evidence: Neighborhoods were segregated and kids went to their neighborhood schools. But now have to go to other neighborhood schools.

Affirmative assertion #2: Students and schools benefit more when they are able to go to an integrated schools.

Evidence: Jobs in the real world require people to understand diversity.
Evidence: Groups will not have the feeling of being or having more power than others.
Evidence: Students will have a better self-esteem and be less bullied

Affirmative assertion #3: Race should be used as a basis for school assignment.

Evidence: Conflict between races would begin, if there was not diversity.
Evidence: The 14th amendment isn't begin violated, it is designed to bring people together.
Evidence: Brings students of different race, ethnics and economic background together.
Debate Round No. 1
lexkidxd

Con

Question #1 : How do students and schools benefit more when they are intergated ?

Question #2: why should race be used as a basis for school assignments ?

Question #3: How isnt the 14th amendmetn being violated ?
Idalismxo

Pro

Question #1: How are teachers being forced to teach students, if teachers go into this field to give knowledge to every student no matter what race?

Question #2: How is a mayor"s decision more important than the judges? If the mayor is just mayor of one city his decision will not be fair and equal to the whole state.

Question #3: How is the 14th Amendment being violated?
Debate Round No. 2
lexkidxd

Con

Answer #1 : The teachers are being forced because they werent allowed to teach other races !

Answer #2 : The Mayors decsion is more important because it his city and he has more power than a judge.

Answer #3 : The 14th amendment was being violated because it says there is suppose to be equal protection and there was no protection for black people.
Idalismxo

Pro

#1: Students benefit more when they"re integrated because it prepares them for the real world and future. There will not be a race groups that have more power than the other.

#2: Race should be as a basis for school assignments because if schools were not integrated conflicts between races would happen. It also brings students that are not the same race, ethnicity together and equal.

#3: The 14th amendment is not being violated because the amendment was created to bring people together.
Debate Round No. 3
lexkidxd

Con

Bussing from a different part of town, makes a child farther from their comfort zone and their family. Race groups will still feel if they have more power than another because there is always going to be a race group that is larger than the other. The 14th amendment was being violated because it says there is suppose to be equal protection and there was no protection for black people. Students would still feel lonely because there could be more rate of another race and they could also still be bullied by whomever. Conflict with races will still happen if they do not get along and our put together in one school.
Idalismxo

Pro

The teachers are not being forced to teach students they do not want to teach because teachers go into this field to give knowledge to every student no matter what race. The 14th amendment is not being violated because the amendment was created to bring people together. Segregation or desegregation can"t be reason for dropout rates in different larger race groups. The courts begin to change people"s mind if the law is enforced and has a consequence if it is not followed. You do not make sense when you say people live in a particular neighborhood. What does that mean? The judge has more power for a city and state than a mayor does if the mayor is just mayor of one city his decision will not be fair and equal to the whole state.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by jgeller 3 years ago
jgeller
Alexis
Conduct: 4
Sources: 4
Convincing arguments: 3 some questions not answered completely
Spelling and grammar: 4 very clear
Analysis: 3 you lost track of the main resolution a little; it was hard to tell what point you were trying to make

I"m very happy with your work on this; it is definitely your best work of the year. You took it seriously and didn"t let your partner, yourself, or me down. You are smart and thoughtful; just don"t let it get in your way.

Idalis
Conduct: 4
Sources: 4
Convincing arguments: 4 good questions, used well to make a point
Spelling and grammar: 4
Analysis: 3 Some points were clearly tied to the resolution, a few it was hard to tell where you were going with the argument

Idalis, it was so nice to be able to have such a trustworthy and reliable student for two years. It certainly was a big part of making my year so pleasant. You are all set to excel in college; don"t let anything get in your way.
Posted by Idalismxo 3 years ago
Idalismxo
Good boy Alexis :) (From ms. Geller)
Posted by BigDLando 3 years ago
BigDLando
you guys are stupid
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