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Creationism In Public Schools

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Started: 1/24/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 10 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ppkmnp

Con

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

This is commonly called "Separation Between Church and State". It is in The First Amendment of The US Constitution. If you have even the most basic understanding of the Government, you would know that the State Government establishes schools. Creationism is an inherently religious hypothesis. You cannot put something from the churches into State or National places, be those schools or otherwise. If you were to do as such, you must actually include everyone's religion in it. If you allow Christians to put up a nativity scene, you must allow Pastafarians to put up Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
In short, read The Constitution, and get god out of our schools.
ViceRegent

Pro

Yes, read the Constitution and see the 1st Amendment limits Congress, not the states.
Debate Round No. 1
ppkmnp

Con

Congress- a formal meeting or series of meetings for discussion between delegates, especially those from a political party or labor union or from within a particular discipline.

Also, you could assume that the congress refers to legislature, which every state has. Interestingly, Nebraska has the only non-bicameral legislature.

http://www.ncsl.org...
ViceRegent

Pro

No, Congress means the Congress, specifically, not legislatures specifically. This is why in Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. (7 Pet.) 243 (1833), the U.S. Supreme Court correctly ruled that the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government. Indeed, most state governments had established churches when the Bill of RIghts was adopted and would have found your position laughable.
Debate Round No. 2
ppkmnp

Con

However, while that is true, in McCollum vs Board of Education, the Supreme Court decided that the teaching of religion in public schools is unconstitutional.

http://infidels.org...

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org...
ViceRegent

Pro

Yes, but so what? The Supreme Court messes up all the time, such as Dread Scott. This is why are talking the 1st Amendment.
Debate Round No. 3
ppkmnp

Con

ppkmnp forfeited this round.
ViceRegent

Pro

Moving on.
Debate Round No. 4
ppkmnp

Con

ppkmnp forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by ppkmnp 10 months ago
ppkmnp
Thank's jtp23.
I'll keep that in mind.
Posted by GoOrDin 10 months ago
GoOrDin
Creation is a scientific fact you knobgobbler.
have you ever attempted to do it?
DO you know anyone who did?
Better yet: Do you know anyone who actually attempted any scientific study to indicate otherwise?

My point. All those, "scholars", were just unqualified lying doushbags and you ate it up.

BUT, I know something you would know - if you ever tried to figure it out - :
Science supports Creation, Proves it, explains it, and in the end Disproves all other theories INADVertantly.
Posted by Jtp23 10 months ago
Jtp23
This vice dude doesn't debate. He believes his holy book also qualifies as a science text book. Dodges almost any question you ask. I'm in the voting period with him in a debate, and he failed to give any evidence supporting his belief.
Posted by ViceRegent 10 months ago
ViceRegent
Many of the Founding Fathers were considered deists? Maybe, but none of them were.
Posted by vi_spex 10 months ago
vi_spex
yes, only the unicorn creation shall be told in school as is true by the story of course
Posted by Deathbeforedishonour 10 months ago
Deathbeforedishonour
Yet the majority were not, nor did they rule out creation. This idea of using the Constitution to ram secularism down kids throats is completely new. It should be left to the individual school to decided, not a one size fits all policy.
Posted by ppkmnp 10 months ago
ppkmnp
Not everyone was taught creationism during that time, Many of the founding fathers were considered deists.
Posted by Deathbeforedishonour 10 months ago
Deathbeforedishonour
And yet it was creationism that was taught when that amendment was signed...hmm
Posted by ppkmnp 10 months ago
ppkmnp
It's for fun. It's funny to see people who can't really prove anything try's to prove it.
Posted by FlammableX 10 months ago
FlammableX
This shouldn't be a debate. Creationism in public schools is like teaching dragons exist on earth today in public schools.
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