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ej3467273
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The Contender
Ragnar
Con (against)
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13 Points

Creationism should not be taught in schools

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Ragnar
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/17/2013 Category: Science
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ej3467273

Pro

I will be arguing that creationism should not be taught in public or private secular schools.

Rules:
No trolling. If trolling, con forfeits all seven points.
No name calling or anything like that. Civil.
Con must argue that creationism should be taught in public and private secular schools.

First round is acceptance or argument. If argument, con doesn't argue in third round.

Definitions:
"Creationism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being"
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Secular:
denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
public schools:
Schools financed by the federal and state government.
private school: any school not financed by the federal or state government.
Ragnar

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
ej3467273

Pro

ej3467273 forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

To begin I'd like to preempt the most predictable waste of space arguments on this I can imagine, I thereby concede all future points specific to science class.

Introduction:
I believe we can all agree the job of a school is to teach. They have different classes for different subjects, with some crossover.

Schools often face criticism for banning books, in part based on the idea they are banning knowledge. Some schools refuse to teach sex-education as anything more than abstinence, which making things comfortable for the parents or not, is often harmful to the students.

I believe students should never be separated from knowledge.

My case:
Students often choose which classes to take, with many of the classes not required for graduation. A generalized religious education class could compact the information into a single classroom, keeping most of it away from the other students who are uninterested.

Further religion has been involved in shaping this world. A teacher needs to be able to explain such in more details than "it just happened." To ban them from saying "the crusades were faught over the following religious idiologies..." would just be moronic.

In a logic class there is a similar dilima, if a teacher is not allowed to tell students what creationism is, they are not allowed to encourage deep thinking about it (such as pointing out the common circular argument fallacies inherent), which leaves children no better off than whatever their parents teach them.

In a basic English class, it's a common enough word. If the teacher is not allowed the teach that word, than there may be awkward moments for the students. Let's look at another word some people don't like, if a student asks "what's does nigger mean?" Should the teacher simply say they're not allowed to answer that, likely leading the student to using it even more; or simple teach what the word is including why it's a piece of profanity. If a student asks "what does creationism mean?" The teacher should be able to teach that "Creationism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being." Which is not to say endorse it. This is of course an example that applies even to strictly secular schools.
Debate Round No. 2
ej3467273

Pro

ej3467273 forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

As there is no challenge against my case, for purposes of this debate the resolution has been rejected. Schools (including private secular one) should teach creationism.

Of course the teaching of creationism, has nothing to do with encouraging blind belief in its validity (such would be a whole other debate).
Debate Round No. 3
ej3467273

Pro

ej3467273 forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

Vote con.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Ragnar 2 years ago
Ragnar
And?
Posted by bubbatheclown 2 years ago
bubbatheclown
Creationism is not necessarily Christian. It can be used by Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Jehovah's Witness etcetera.
Posted by Ragnar 2 years ago
Ragnar
As a friendly reminder, you have an hour left to put forward your first argument.
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Reasons for voting decision: I don't agree with Con in anyway as its a fairytale. But Pro didn't turn up for the debate and as such Con gets the points.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit by Pro results in conduct point going to Con. Pro did use several sources in the first round, so those points go to Pro.