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Crimea's Vote to Join Russia is Not Legitimate

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Started: 3/17/2014 Category: Politics
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MolecularBird06

Pro

First Round is acceptance.
daviddhawan

Con

accepting
Debate Round No. 1
MolecularBird06

Pro

Thanks daviddhawan for accepting this debate.

Crimea's vote is not legitimate because it was heavily influenced by Russia. This would produce biased results. If you had Russian troops patrolling in your neighborhood, you wouldn't want to get in their way. This could have influenced many voters making the vote illegitimate. Many voters were afraid to speak in front of a camera.

The vote was issued by the government in Crimea, this makes the vote illegitimate because the government can easily change the result of the vote.

Also the was no official no to Russian control of Crimea. The two options are joining Russia and restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine. At first it looks like residents have an option, but this means that Crimea's old form of government to be restored, which give Crimea the abilities of an independent state and with the government there saying they will give Crimea to Russia any way, the voter don't have an option whether Crimea will join Russia. It either that Crimea will take the long route of simply join. There is no option of Crimea being a part of Ukraine.

Also the vote violated the Ukrainian constitution, therefore Crimea is not leaving Ukraine legally.

Also no country except Russia recognizes the vote as valid.

Sources:
http://edition.cnn.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
http://www.usnews.com...
http://www.bbc.com...
daviddhawan

Con

first i want to look into the background of this Crimea .....Crimea became the part of Ukraine on the basis of referendum then why it can't be the part of Russia on the basis of referendum i'm putting my opinions .....
1. Crimea is an autonomous region of Ukraine .for your information 58% of whole crimea is erhnic russians them why once Yatsenyuk took over because one of his first orders of business was to remove Russia as the second official language in Ukraine.In the Crimean peninsula, more than half of the population is of Russian descent and the majority there speak Russian as their first language. It was clear whose side they would chose in this fight. So the thinking of ukraine to cover crimea is just a game of politics with joining NATO.
2. On the voting day on the ballot two questions were asked in russian ukrainaian and tatar languages
a) to secede from ukraine and request annexation by russia
b) to remain part of ukraine with expanded autonomy
President Vladimir Putin has cited Kosovo as on example where a break-away region of Yugoslavia was able to secede. Washington and Brussels had no problem with that. Kosovo is now protected by NATO. Ukraine joining NATO would ultimately reignite feelings from the Cold War and rewind the clock to 1984 on Russian-U.S. and Russian-European relations.
Washington has been the most boisterous of the NATO allies. John Kerry has threatened targeted economic sanctions and visa bans against Russian officials deemed responsible for violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Crimea secedes.
it shows the jealous nature of america on russia as we know from cold war
3.Crimea doesn't need independence, must be part of Russia - Crimean PM
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com...

No, we will not have independence. We currently believe, I personally think that Crimea should join Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation," he said.

Turnout can't affect referendum legitimacy - Crimean authorities

Crimea ready to resist provocations on referendum day - Crimean PM

Russian troops in Crimea not involved in 'active measures' - PM Aksyonov
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com...
is all these are false? these are the rumours spread be western countries that it is illigitimate and illegal they don't like to see russia a wealthy country whatever be the crimeas problem their main target is russia they are not trying to solve the problems they are just reigniting the feeling of cold war
Debate Round No. 2
MolecularBird06

Pro

"1. Crimea is an autonomous region of Ukraine .for your information 58% of whole crimea is erhnic russians them why once Yatsenyuk took over because one of his first orders of business was to remove Russia as the second official language in Ukraine.In the Crimean peninsula, more than half of the population is of Russian descent and the majority there speak Russian as their first language. It was clear whose side they would chose in this fight. So the thinking of ukraine to cover crimea is just a game of politics with joining NATO."

Just because the majority of the people speak Russian there, it doesn't make Crimera's vote legitimate. Also Crimea is not leaving Ukraine legally, because Crimea is part of Ukraine, if it wants to leave it has to do so by how the Ukraine constitution states it should be done. Crimea did not follow the procedure making the vote illegitimate.

"2. On the voting day on the ballot two questions were asked in russian ukrainaian and tatar languages
a) to secede from ukraine and request annexation by russia
b) to remain part of ukraine with expanded autonomy"

This is not rue, if you read my argument you would have not said this, there is no official no on the ballet.

Also your source is not a legitimate one. When I opened it up there was a numerous amount of mistakes. Fore example, the languages the have Indian as one, this is not a language, the indain language is Hindi. Also this source says there are human animal hybrids, google maps found an alien on the moon, and that people are dropping toxic mice of Guam to kill. This makes me doubt the source's accuracy.
daviddhawan

Con

daviddhawan forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
MolecularBird06

Pro

MolecularBird06 forfeited this round.
daviddhawan

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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