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Cuban Missile Crisis Role Play

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Started: 12/7/2010 Category: Politics
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innomen

Pro

This would be a historic role playing debate where I would play Valerian Zorin – USSR Ambassador to the UN speaking for Khrushchev and the Soviets. My opponent would play Adlai Stevenson – US Ambassador to the UN for the Kennedy administration. The rules would be that we would both remain in character and we are speaking to the UN assembly with U Thant as the UN Secretary General. We will remain in character throughout the debate including the comment section. If absolutely necessary brackets can be used to comment outside of character "[]". This is largely based on rhetoric at the time, so sources are less important than the content and style. Things unfolded throughout the 13 day period, but there will be some lenience in the time line within the debate periods. Some of this logistically can be discussed prior to the debate beginning, or via PM/profile comments during the debate.

I will not enter the role until the debate challenge has been met, so in comments i will engage normally until it begins.

The second part of this round will require the US ambassador to post resolution and argument of protest regarding the placing of nuclear missiles on the Island of Cuba. Further logistical questions regarding this debate can be sent to me via PM, or on my comment board. The actual event took 13 days, but we will condense this to 4 rounds. I'm kind of experimenting with this debate.

This is meant to be fun.
Sky_ace25

Con

The United States finds this meeting of the UN assembly to be of utmost importance to the future and stability of the world as we know it. Now, we all have seen the ravages of war, the ravages of ideologies, and the ravages of the pursuit of power.

The United States is content with sharing the economic sphere of the world, and we have no intention of disturbing the layer of peace that has befallen us here at the UN. We have made great strides to protect that peace despite the current states of Berlin and Cuba.

Now it is time though for this assembly to recognize the importance of taking action to maintain that peace, to maintain the status quo, and to maintain our posterity.

There is no question that in this age of nuclear warfare, there will be no speedy passage to a satisfactory ending. However, the United Stats requests this matter be given the utmost urgency before it degenerates to a most egregious situation.

Recent intelligence confirms that missiles capable of immeasurable destruction have been transferred to the island of Cuba.

It is no well-kept secret that Cuba has granted permissions to the Soviet Union, however the United States was willing to tolerate this. We were willing to tolerate totalitarian regimes, we were willing to tolerate this new influence within the Western hemisphere, yet our tolerance runs thin when our very people are in danger.

The placing of missiles on the island of Cuba is a direct provocation to the United States, and threatens to violate the stability that has kept our countries, our people, and our United Nations stable.

Catastrophe may be averted however, and this is what I plan to discuss today. The United States demands the immediate removal of the missiles from Cuba in a time period spanning no more than six months.

If the Soviet Union continues to persist with this nuclear armament on the outskirts of the people of the United States, there will be no option left but for the United States to retaliate with an armament of missile sites in Turkey and within the Pacific.

We have been willing to entertain peace talks with the Soviet Union and other Communist countries for we believe that peace is paramount to preserving our stable globe in this age of nuclear technology. While we will continue to forbear from engaging in another world war, the people of the United States wish to make their intention clear and concise.

Mr. Zorin, if the administration of your country refuses to disarm the missile sites on Cuba there will be no recourse for future prevention of a catastrophic war. If your country refuses to disarm the missile sites on Cuba, it will be interpreted as a direct threat on the safety of the American people. If your country refuses to disarm the missile sites on Cuba, and if any detection of a missile launch is received from our intelligence, there will be only one option that will immediately be available.

The retaliation by United States missiles against the Soviet Union itself.

I will ask you again Mr. Zorin, will the administration of your country disarm the missile sites on Cuba?
Yes or no, do not wait for the translation Mr. Zorin, yes or no!
Debate Round No. 1
innomen

Pro

In my capacity as the representative of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics I would like to respond, and remind Mr. Stevenson that this is not an American courtroom and I will not respond as if you are my prosecutor. You will have your answers in due course.

Mr. Stevenson claims that the government of the United States is content with sharing their economic sphere, and has no intention in disturbing the peace. However since the first days of its existence, post revolutionary Cuba has been subjected to continuous threats and provocations by the United States. The United States government has done everything it could to interfere with the internal affairs of the sovereign country Cuba. Mr. Stevenson paints an idyllic picture of Latin America without mentioning the US "Big Stick" policy with Latin America. Let us remember that it was on the 17th of April that United States mercenaries invaded at Playa Giron, and the people of Cuba, led by Comrade Castro, were victorious in your colonial inclinations. This is the peace they speak of. Let us not forget that the United States government had its own army fighting the Soviet people during our own revolution. Yes, we know your peace Mr. Stevenson; we won't even go into the numerous attempts at the life of comrade Castro, the sovereign leader of the Republic of Cuba.

I call to this assembly's attention that yesterday, the United States government placed the Republic of Cuba under naval blockade. The United States has arrogated to itself the right to attack other ships of other states on the high seas, and has brazenly said as much, which is nothing less than undisguised piracy. The United States government has initiated the most aggressive of their policies against this island nation with the gravest of international consequences. There is every indication that the United States government has a policy of complete domination of the Republic of Cuba at any cost.

Let us look at Cuba. a small island recovering from the exploitation of colonialist capitalism. There is no way the people of Cuba could amass a military that could perpetually fend off the full force of the inevitable might of the United States imperialist government. What other hope can this small island nation have in preserving its sovereignty?

The United States has no right whatever either in the rules of accepted international law in freedom of shipping, and a sovereign country defending itself from a foreign threat. A sovereign state has, according to United Nations charter the right to defend itself and to possess weapons to ensure its security. Repeatedly the government of the United States has demonstrated itself as an imminent threat to the people of Cuba. No state, no matter how powerful it is has the right to deny such fundamental necessities from another state.

Mr. Stevenson is in no position to demand anything let alone the removal of the only possible defense a small country like the Republic of Cuba has. He speaks of a threat of putting nuclear missiles in Turkey, when we all are well aware of the 100 Jupiter missiles already placed on our border in Turkey.

Mr. Stevenson speaks of a threat to his hemisphere. Mr. Stevenson we have been increasingly living with your threat for years now in our hemisphere…continent… ON OUR BORDERS! We live with US government made missiles dotting the landscape of Europe aimed at our country.

The United States has taken these piratous initiatives while threatening nuclear war. Mr. Stevenson, perhaps the word peace means something different in English than what it means in Russian. We stand behind our Cuban comrades and we stand against your natural expansive and exploitive inclinations.

The Security Council would not be carrying out its bounden duty, as the principle organ responsible for maintaining world and international security, if it ignored the aggressive actions of the United States.
Sky_ace25

Con

Mr. Zorin, I can hardly begin to withhold my outrage at the ludicrous claims that you are making in front of this great assembly.

Mr. Zorin argues that the US has always been against Cuba, however let us remind Mr. Zorin which country it was that helped liberate Cuba from its imperial oppressors to begin with. When Cuba needed support, it was not a Soviet ship, it was not a USSR ship, it was an American ship that came to its aid. In his further attempts to dupe this assembly, Mr. Zorin would like to put the wool over your eyes so that you all may ignore the time where the US was willing to come to Russia's aid when Germany invaded the Soviet Union. Let us not forget it was the Soviet Nation that abstained from entering World War II along with the Allied Powers until it finally saw the error of its ways, until it finally was duped and tricked by Nazi Germany, until it finally needed the economic support of the United States.

Mr. Zorin implies that we wish to murder Fidel Castro in cold blood, the very nerve of this statement shows the ignorance with which Mr. Zorin holds international affairs. Not only has the United Sates been willing to allow this communist influence next to our soil, our land, our people. The United States has allowed the communist party within our own country to exist so that we may show our intentions at peace.

How does the USSR wish to repay us? How do the Soviets wish to repay us? How do the Communists wish to repay us? They try to corrupt the politics of our very own government, they order their political party that we allow to exist, to cause dissent! They try to pervert the standing of the United States in the international community! They threaten our very own soil by showing their belligerent attitudes as they place missiles next to our soil! A naval blockade of such a grave threat to our country can only be the beginning of a more progressively hostile response to forced Soviet aggression.

Now, what else does Mr. Zorin wish to say to us? He wishes that we all forget history, and pretend that a small nation can not pose a major threat to the world. However! Let us remind Mr. Zorin of Nazi Germany, which arose out of the ashes of the Germany of World War I. A small nation that was bound foot and hand by chains in the form of the Treaty of Versailles. Yet, did that small nation not arise again? Did that small nation not conquer most of Europe? Did that small nation not pose a threat to the greatest countries in the world? Yet, Mr. Zorin would wish us to sweep Cuba as a primitive nation, a backward nation, a small nation, and that we should ignore, can you believe it ignore, the threat to our people and our posterity by the Soviet nation.

Mr. Zorin wishes to argue international law, let us remind Mr. Zorin there is a difference from Cuba owning weapons of destruction and the Soviet Nation deliberately supplies and arming Cuba right next to our territory. The Soviet Union is effectively transforming Cuba into a Soviet military base, and the United States will not stand for such hostile aggression. We know our rights Mr. Zorin, we have the right to self defense, we have the right to protect our people from hostile action, and we have the right to monitor a country that is deliberately showing aggression to our nation.

Mr. Zorin would like to act as if the defensive weaponry of the United Sates is the hand of imperial Capitalism sweeping in on the Soviet nation, however what need would there be for such weapons were it not for hostile Soviet aggression Mr. Zorin? Your leadership constantly hammering at our country, your leadership spreading its propaganda into our country, your leadership deliberately acting belligerent in the face of a tense nuclear era.

The United States and the United Nations Mr. Zorin are not foolish children that you may sway with your silver tongue. Rather we know what is best for the community Mr. Zorin, and we advise the Soviets learn what is best as well.

May this humble assembly remember that the United States has always been there to help defend against aggressive action by the most tyrannical of leaders, and may this humble assembly remember that the United States will continue to help defend the international community from the most egregious violators of human rights.

We wish to offer the olive branch one more time to Mr. Zorin and to the Soviet Union so that we may not engage in another costly and horrendous war. Mr. Zorin the United States is willing to negotiate the disarming of missiles aimed at the Soviet Nation, but not until the Soviet Nation agrees to withdraw its nuclear ambitions from the western hemisphere.

Mr. Zorin, I hope that you soon remove the hooded veil from your eyes and embrace the peace and stability that this international community, that the United States, that the "imperial capitalists" wish to offer you. The United States is willing to share the economic sphere, but not with aggressive terrorists who wish to challenge the fabrics of peace that soldiers fought two world wars to establish.
Debate Round No. 2
innomen

Pro

I ask this assembly to forgive my delay in response. We have been having difficulty digesting the arrogance from the United States government. But then we understand capitalists. However understanding the wolf doesn't make his teeth any less sharp.

Mr. Stevenson, do you really wish to review the exploitive history that your government has had with the island of Cuba? From 1902 with the Platt Amendment where your President Roosevelt directly states that Cuba is a possession of the United States government unable to make any treaty or negotiation without the consent of the government of the United States. Through the various US backed dictators including Fulgencio Batista who, with the full backing of the CIA tortured and killed thousands. And yes, even recently with the attempts made on the life of the sovereign leader of The Republic of Cuba, Comrade Castro, by your CIA, and of course the recent invasion attempt in what you Americans call ‘The Bay of Pigs'. I could continue Mr. Stevenson if you like, but I will refrain, because your government's shameful history and recent activity with Cuba is not something that you should be bringing to the floor of this assembly for your own sake.

Yes Mr. Stevenson, the Soviet people were grateful, and are grateful, for the lend-lease equipment that your government provided in our struggle against the Hitlerites. However, when the war ended we watched as you came to our country to sink the ships you lent us and destroyed the equipment that we used in defeating our common enemy. We do understand the wolf, but again it makes his teeth no less sharp.

Mr. Stevenson, your government objects to our existence and to our communist comrades who fight against the exploitative nature of the imperialist capitalists, who wish to oppress them. We know this. However, we have always followed comrade Lenin's instructions of peaceful coexistence. Our comrades in The Republic of Cuba who have achieved their independence from the colonialists also know this, and prepare for the day when you will again try to subjugate them. Yes Mr. Ambassador we will always assist and encourage those who fight against the abuse of capitalist influences everywhere, even in Cuba, where your government called it ‘The Unforgivable Revolution'. This country that deserves the international respect any other sovereign country is due, you wish to deny. Ah but you don't stop there do you? You then compare these people, whom the United States government historically exploited and oppressed to the benefit of the capitalist, you compare these oppressed people to Hitlerites?! Do I hear you correctly sir?! The peasant that you would have cut the sugarcane for your coffee, you are comparing to a Hitlerite?

Mr. Stevenson would have this assembly believe that we are preparing to create a grand Soviet military base in Cuba. Sir, we do not share your avarice for such domination, we merely look to assist our comrades in their struggle against your inevitable invasion of Cuba. He would have this assembly believe that we are aggressively pursuing self interest throughout the world, when we know this is not true. Many in this assembly know that this is not the case when we have assisted those without the means in their struggle against capitalist forces who would exploit and repress. We wish to remove the capitalist boot of oppression that bears down on the neck of all those who struggle beneath it. In this we will not stop. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side.

Your concern of a Soviet military base in your hemisphere is ungrounded, but know that our comrades should expect our cooperation. We needn't remind anyone that our military power and missile system from our own country is more than sufficient to accomplish any goal that could be expected from the island of Cuba.

The United States needs to recognize The Republic of Cuba, and provide all respect due to this sovereign nation and her leader. It took 13 years before The United States government recognized the Soviet Union's existence and even then your government continued to blockade and isolate us. Let us hope that this self defeating policy does not continue. The Cuban people need assurances that they will not feel the strike of your old "Big Stick" policy. The Cuban leader needs to be accepted as an equal in the international community. The United States government must learn that it cannot enter countries at will for their benefit with no regard to the people and welfare of the individuals that inhabit these places. Repeatedly and consistently we watch you enter these underdeveloped countries with one aim of providing profits for your capitalists. At any cost to those who live there, you will export their resources to line the already well filled pockets of your capitalists. The teeth of the wolf are sharp, and we have felt its bite.

We are happy to hear the United States government is open to negotiations, and we the people of the Soviet Union and her representatives are always open to discuss mutual concerns. However, know that we will never abandon our Cuban comrades, or her leader. We will always demand the dignity and respect for our comrades throughout the world.
Sky_ace25

Con

Mr. Zorin you need to constantly stop trying to trick this assembly, because as we all know, the bear is a clumsy animal and will never be sneaky.

Continuously you ignore that it was the United States hat helped liberate Cuba to begin with from its imperial oppressors. The Platt Amendment was a necessity from that era to ensure that further imperialism did not occur. Cuba had the option to discuss its removal, and they never have complained. Do not instantly assume that your so called "allies" need you to act as the voice of reason for them, Cuba has its own voice sir. Yet, you wish to act as the voice of Cuba, I'm happy you believe that any nation under Communism is instantly your subordinate. Yet, you still wonder why the United States is worried about the presence of nuclear missiles 90 miles from our shores!

I'm graceful that the Soviets for once acknowledge our aid in helping them ward off Germany after they were foolish enough to sign a treaty with them. Sir, what we do with OUR technology and OUR military force and OUR ships is the responsibility of the United States not the USSR. I assume you know what the term lease means sir. Again, the bear is no sly fox Mr. Zorin.

I'm also amused that the Communists claim "peaceful coexistence". I assume that's why communist North Korea not only invaded South Korea, but was then aided by the belligerent communists of China. Yes, Mr. Zorin why do you continue to lie this assembly. I told you once and I'll say it again, your silver tongue will not aid you here.

Again on Cuba Mr. Zorin, a hostile country that is an arm of the Soviet Union is not an independent country Mr. Zorin so long as Castro is a puppet for Stalin, for the USSR, for the Soviets. Nobody is calling them Hitlerites Mr. Zorin, however Germany was able to rise from the status of a "small nation" and threaten the world as we know it, or have you already forgotten when they invaded your country. Mr. Zorin the bear should stop trying to pull tricks in this wise assembly of nations or it may find itself trapped.

But of course the Soviets are not trying to build a military base, I agree completely. Establishing a puppet Communist government 90 miles of United States shores is not building a military base, arming nuclear missiles that can reach the mainland of a nation 90 miles away is not building a military base, and arming this base with SAM installations and troops 90 miles away is not building a military base. I assume of course Mr. Zorin then there is no such thing as a military base. Your argument is as hollow as your silver tongue that you just can not keep in check. I also am amused at how you wish to believe history is on your side, because of course when a belligerent nation acquires a new colony, a satellite, a subordinate; the belligerent nation is always just aiding the colony.

I also am amused that you wish to act as if Capitalism is an oppressive force, when this assembly knows very well that not only has the US previously pursued polices that withheld it from the international sphere, but currently it is aiding its allies through the Marshall Plan to ensure that Europe is built back to its former glory, an offer that the Soviets declined. The Capitalist nations Mr. Zorin have consistently been establishing new methods of trade, and are even responsible for this United Nations that we are in today. Let me not remind this assembly of how the USSR was boycotting the UN during its attack on the peaceful people of South Korea.

Mr. Zorin if your country has the military capabilities to reach us from your nation, then there should be no reason for you to leave your missiles on Cuba. If you are powerful enough in your hemisphere, kindly do not try to invade our hemisphere under the guise of aiding Cuba. This assembly should see very clearly now that the Soviets only wish to bring us to the brink of nuclear war with hostile actions. Let me ask you Mr. Zorin, if the US parked nuclear weapons within 90 miles of your country, would you remain passive and let us build? Even a small school boy from the USSR who has been fed Soviet propaganda can see what the reaction would be from the Kremlin.

Now then, let this assembly view the Soviets outrageous demands. That we should recognize a colony that is an arm of the Soviet Union under a different name! That we should recognize a tyrant who not only overthrew his government to gain power, but also permits his island to be used as a military base! That the US should not be allowed to act like Soviet Russia and use other countries as military bases, the hypocrisy! To cap it all off, the bear would like to use its silver tongue to act as if trade is not mutually beneficial!

Mr. Zorin you waste this assembly's time with your continuous egregious demands that you claim will bring stability to the world. You waste this assembly's time with your demands that we allow hostile nations to park nuclear missiles 90 miles from our shores. You waste this assembly's time when you act as if this is all for the benefit of the puppet regime in Cuba under Castro.

I call to this assembly to recognize an international boycott against the outrageously hostile Soviet Nation until it ends its actions in trying to intervene in world affairs by forcing its massive weight on other countries. That is what I would say, were it not for the fact that the USSR has willingly taken itself out of the UN before and refused to listen to what the world actually wanted.

So Mr. Zorin, since you obviously will not allow an agreement mediated by the UN. Let the United States make you an offer again, pull your missiles out of Cuba or by the time they become operational they will be destroyed by United States action. We will not allow the Soviets to use a preemptive strike and follow in the footsteps of the expansionist Germany in trying to conquer the world. We will not allow the Soviets to threaten the immediate lives of over 80 million Americans. We will not allow the Soviets to bully other nations into submission under the guise of aiding them.

I call on this international assembly to recognize that since the USSR will never listen to a ruling by the world community, permit at least the United States to protect itself from the hostile bear.

Mr. Zorin, if you do not hide your erroneously silver tongue, then I fear it will be a very cold winter.

But remember this Mr. Zorin, a bear may try to emulate a crafty spy, but a bear is too clumsy to hide itself in the shadows. This assembly knows enough by now of your nation, your nation's attitudes, and your nation's aggressive Communist interests.
Debate Round No. 3
innomen

Pro

This will be my final appeal to this assembly on behalf of our brothers in Cuba fighting the imperialist giant to their north.

With regard to the great humanitarian efforts made by the United States, as asserted by Mr. Stevenson let us look briefly at the history of this tiny island: 1902 Cuba became "independent" – however with the Platt Amendment which kept the island under US protection; also gave all rights to the US to intervene in Cuban affairs. 1903, US establishes military bases in Cuba on Guantanamo Bay and Bahia Honda. 1906 the president of Cuba resigns and the US occupies Cuba. US then supervise elections and put into place Gomez who eventually is forced to resign due to corruption. 1912 the US increases the size of the military base on Guantanamo Bay. 1934 the US installs Batista as the leader who exploits the people of Cuba for their sugar and natural resources. 1952 the CIA back Batista and his secret police force that tortures and kills thousands with full US government backing. 1953 Fidel Castro begins his people's revolt against the oppressors backed by the US. It is true that the US tried to lure Castro over to their side, while simultaneously backing his enemies, as you Americans say "hedging your bets", but Comrade Castro held on to the principles of liberation and equality. Since Comrade Castro's leadership they, the government of the United States, have waged campaigns of invasion, assassination, and economic strangulation against The Republic of Cuba, and its people. We the people of the Soviet Union will never turn our backs on these aggressive forces that look to oppress the common people of the world.

The United States Government has never done anything for the island of Cuba that was not in the best interest of feeding the greed of capitalism. It has a long history of colonialist and exploitive behavior toward the people of Cuba, and the time has come for that to end. The time is NOW that the United States government, and the world give to The Republic of Cuba, it's leader and the Cuban people what they deserve, the right, respect and dignity of any other sovereign country deserves. We, the people of the United Soviet Socialist Republic will stand by our comrades in Cuba until your government gives what is due. I challenge you Mr. Stevenson to have your government pledge full recognition to this island and to stop your imperialist designs on this island.

Yes Mr. Stevenson, we do adhere to Comrade Lenin‘s hope for peaceful coexistence and ask you to not derail this issue by discussing activities in the Far
East. If you wish to evade the topic at hand and retreat to such a drastic change in geography, then I suggest you speak with Chairman Mao's representative, but please do so at a different time as to not waste the time of this assembly on matters that are irrelevant to the issue you brought to the floor. Chairman Mao has opted for a different path than following the wisdom of Comrade Lenin.

Mr. Stevenson accuses the Soviet Union of colonizing Cuba?!?! I have put to this assembly the history of the US imperialist exploitation of this tiny island for the benefit of its capitalist would be owners, and the audacity and arrogance of the Ambassador to then accuse us, the partners of the Cuban people in their struggle against their oppressors, of what they commit?!?!?

Mr. Stevenson speaks of bullying while carrying a very large stick in his hand. We understand that the United States government has 40,000 marines waiting to land on this tiny island to fully subjugate its people and dominate the integrity of the island. We know that the United States government has been looking for an excuse to re-colonize this country so that it can continue its policy of exploitation in Latin America. The Cuban people have been living with the reality of this threat for a long time. He openly threatens the world with disregard to international law, and basic decency to his fellow man.

I ask you, I ask this assembly what guarantee will there be from US threats to the people of Cuba? There is none. Not without the support, friendship and alliance of the Soviet Union and the world Socialist community. Mr. Stevenson calls our request for the self determination of this small island nation of Cuba an egregious demand. We have taken substantive steps in assuring the people of Cuba its safety and continued growth in assuming its place of dignity among other nations of the world; for this we make no apologies, and we stand by our Comrades in the defensive strategy they have taken, until the United States government is ready to take steps in acknowledging the peaceful existence of this small island country.

Mr. Stevenson, your country has put an illegal naval blockade strangling this small island, you have battalions of marines ready to land on Cuba, have put your air force on full alert ready to bomb this small island; your government has taken every step to, at best dominate and destroy Cuba, and at worst provoke World War III. We the people of the Soviet Union have no desire for war. Not very long ago we have seen first hand the horrors of war, and will do what we always do to prevent war. We always seek peace, but we understand that weakness is more provocative than strength. I have said before that we are always willing to discuss mutual concerns, but that we will not abandon our Cuban comrades in their struggle against capitalist forces. Comrade Khrushchev has reached out to President Kennedy in an effort to maintain peace and divert the US government from any impending attack on our allies. We always seek peaceful solutions, and will hope for the cooperation of Mr. Kennedy. The Soviet Union has never had an issue with the people of the United States and join them in their class struggle. We wait for the day when our people will join hands in the brotherhood of mankind in its fight against oppression and inequality.
Sky_ace25

Con

As this assembly comes to a close, I ask all the great countries here and especially Mr. Zorin, why does the United States not own Cuba at the moment?

Mr. Zorin consistently articulates on the overwhelming power of the armies of the United States, yet have we gone in to conquer Cuba? Have we tried to annex the nation? Have we tried to make it a territory of the United States? No ladies and gentleman we have not, and I assure you the United States has no interest in seizing control of Cuba in the near future.

Mr. Zorin, missing no chance to attack Capitalism as always, proceeded to articulate on the history of Cuba. I ask this assembly what did you hear? The United States help liberate Cuba from its Imperialist owners, the United States has helped to consistently ensure that trade was available between the two countries to facilitate growth, and the United States has always looked out for the interests and intervened as necessary to help stabilize and support Cuba.

Yet, when Fidel Castro came into power, did we instantly wish to harm or even assassinate him? No, the United States did not! Mr. Zorin this assembly will not stand for you trying to falsify opinions, and acting as if you speak for what the United States wants. Sir, let me remind you that I am the representative of the United States, not you. The United States will not tolerate a Soviet satellite within our very own hemisphere. Were Castro's Cuba to be an independent nation, perhaps the United States would be willing to recognize the regime. However, as the discussion at this assembly has made unequivocally clear, the recognition of Cuba at the moment would be as if the United States would recognize a Soviet military base within 90 miles of US territory.

Mr. Zorin wishes to dupe this assembly into believing that by facilitating trade with Cuba, the United States wants to subjugate and even colonize the country. I ask this assembly again, if the United States always had the capacity to conquer Cuba, why have we not done it yet?

Mr. Zorin, I would like you to understand, that a trade agreement does not equal a hostile attempt to colonize a nation. A trade provision such as the Platt Amendment does not mean we wish to make Cuba our satellite. Must I remind the Soviet's of how they needed United States support when it came to fighting off Nazi Germany during the second Great War! That's right Mr. Zorin, you needed the support of our materials, our capitalist, our imperialist, our greedy materials. Yet, today we see the ugly truth of the Soviet nation, they have no interest in promoting permanent friendship so long as it does not suit their interests.

Mr. Zorin would wish this assembly to ignore the war that plagues North Korea, because it is of large embarrassment to the Soviet Nation. However, Mr. Zorin do not dupe this assembly into believing that it is an irrelevant issue. Let me remind this assembly, that Soviet military forces attacked and invaded South Korea in a deliberate show of aggression, that Communist military intervention from China, no doubt organized by the Kremlin itself, was used to weaken the power of UN troops within the region, but that also the Soviet Union refused to listen to this great assembly when it calls itself one of the members of the UN security council!

Mr. Zorin, the interests of the United States have been made bare and clear to this assembly. We will not tolerate an extension of the Soviet Union into our hemisphere, we will not tolerate an aggressive Soviet military base within 90 miles of our shores, and we certainly will not tolerate weapons of mass destruction within close proximity of the people of the United States.

Th United States has never shown aggression to Cuba until it showed aggression toward the United States. We consistently fostered trade and agreement between our two nations. The United States sees the reason to wag the big stick, as Mr. Zorin wishes to say, out of necessity to protect our very own people.

Mr. Zorin, always prepared to respond to claims by the capitalist nations of the world, is remarkably silent when it comes turn to prove the Soviet Union's commitment to this assembly. This assembly has seen before the Soviet Union's willingness to pull out and ignore the global community when it does not agree with the Communist agenda. Mr. Zorin does not wish to offer any final compromise to this issue, confirming the worst fears of the United States that the Soviet Union wishes for a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States. The United States will not stand idle, wait for such a catastrophe to occur, and then bow down like a dog to Soviet interests. I call on this assembly again, since Soviet Russia has no interest in moving the global community to world peace, allow the United States to intervene in Cuba and destroy the weapons of mass destruction that are currently there.

As Mr. Zorin says, since Cuba is not part of the Soviet Union, then we are making no direct attack against the Soviet Nation. We are attacking a hostile regime in Cuba under Castro that wishes to allow nuclear weapons to be perched on their shores, missiles that target and threaten the United States.

This assembly, having not been duped by the silver tongue of the Soviet Union, must now send two messages to the world. One, that a country such as the United States must be able to intervene and destroy weapons of mass destruction that threaten its own borders. Second, that the continually aggressive polices of the Soviet Nation will not be tolerated in the international community, and any future showcases of force, must result in immediate and swift action.

The United States looks forward to the day when it can recognize a truly independent Cuba, not a military base, not a satellite nation, not an extension of the Soviet mindset, but a free, independent, and non-hostile Cuba.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by innomen 6 years ago
innomen
[Thanks, yes i wouldn't do 4 rounds again, as it gets repetitive, and i would be up for another one like this. I was thinking American Independence between Adams and Dickinson. Actually there's no end to the possibilities.]
Posted by LaissezFaire 6 years ago
LaissezFaire
Wow, great debate! Long, but definitely worth the read. Both sides did great, but I think innomen did slightly better (that's why I'm voting with only 1 point--it was very close).

I'd like to see more of these in the future, maybe even do one myself. I don't know enough about Cold War era history to do a good job on a topic like this, but I'm pretty knowledgeable about a lot of other parts of American history. My little sister did a post Civil War treason trial for her US history class, U.S. vs. Southern leaders; that sounded like it could be a good debate. (I'd be legally representing the South, playing as Lysander Spooner).
Posted by innomen 6 years ago
innomen
Posted by innomen 6 years ago
innomen
They are dead on.
Posted by Sky_ace25 6 years ago
Sky_ace25
My troll senses are tingling!
Posted by vardas0antras 6 years ago
vardas0antras
I Love this debate enuff said
Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
innomen- switching the letter 'w' with 'v' is definitely russian, but that on top of the reverse is an indian thing. Just a heads up
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
"Never trust a Russian."
Posted by innomen 6 years ago
innomen
Comrade, i vill do my best vith my Russian accent, but unfortunitely ze imperialeest capitaleest vebsite owner oppresses us in our evorts to liberate ourselves from his colonialist dictates, so ve vill struggle to owercome those that vish to exploit our proletariat inclinations through our natural literary use of vords. - Yeah, not quite like that though. But i will do my best.
Posted by Woodycanuck 6 years ago
Woodycanuck
This is a cool idea and I look forward to to reading it. As an aside, most of my vote will go the most convincing argument, but my conduct vote can be won as follows:
- Stevenson will earn this vote by posting a picture with bald head and ears sticking out.
- Zorin will earn this vote by typing entire arguments with thick Russian accent.

Good luck!
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