The Instigator
wjmelements
Pro (for)
Winning
22 Points
The Contender
mongoose
Con (against)
Losing
20 Points

"Cyber Commander" should have a higher attack than "Happy Lover".

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wjmelements
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/19/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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wjmelements

Pro

That's right.
This debate concerns 2 Yu Gi Oh cards. Higher attack means higher attack points.
http://yugioh.wikia.com...
http://yugioh.wikia.com...
Happy lover has 800 attack points.
Cyber Commander has 750 attack points.
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Happy Lover:
"Enemies become overjoyed when struck by the Heart Ray emitted from the forehead of this tiny cherub."

Cyber Commander:
"A strike force equipped with rocket launchers and bazookas."

A "tiny cherub" with the power to make enemies overjoyed has more attack points than a strike force armed "with rocket launchers and bazookas"?

I do hope someone accepts. This is intended to be a fun debate and I assume that it will be.
mongoose

Con

http://yugioh.wikia.com...
http://yugioh.wikia.com...

"Happy lover [sic] has 800 attack points."

It is a magical fairy. It gets strength from things that you can't comprehend. They are overjoyed because they are sent to a different land when they die, or they are glad that they get to kill the little thing.

"Cyber Commander has 750 attack points."

It is a robotic soldier. It it probably not very bright, and has very small weaponry. It is not magical.

This could be a very fun debate.
Debate Round No. 1
wjmelements

Pro

Please note that it is not merely a soldier, but a "strike force".

http://dictionary.reference.com...
Cherub does not imply magic at all. All it has is that Heart Ray, and all that does is make enemies happy. There is no implied teleportation into some happy death.

Further, while cherubs fall into the Fairy category, this does not mean that they are magical, or have any further powers.

My opponent has essentially made up powers for happy lover.

"It it probably not very bright, and has very small weaponry."

However, upon examining Cyber Commander's weaponry, one finds that it is actually rather large. http://yugioh.wikia.com...

A strike force against a cherub.
Bazookas and Rocket Launchers against a benign Heart Ray.

Cyber Commander is clearly more powerul.

Back to you.
mongoose

Con

"Cherub does not imply magic at all. All it has is that Heart Ray, and all that does is make enemies happy. There is no implied teleportation into some happy death."

"Heart Ray" does. An alternative explanation is that it could cause enemies to fall into a happy state of bliss and obliviousness, during which it is easily taken out by even the weakest of forces. This seems fairly mighty.

"Further, while cherubs fall into the Fairy category, this does not mean that they are magical, or have any further powers."

It means they are special. It can fly. Also, what else could a "Heart Ray" be besides magic? There is no other explanation. You need to explain how it works.

"Bazookas and Rocket Launchers against a benign Heart Ray."

Why do you call the Heart Ray benign? It causes insanity! It could magically go through certain forces, like rocket launchers, while destroying them, and hypnotize Cyber Commander. As PRO, you must prove that it cannot.

Cyber Commander appears at 1:50 in the first video. As you can see, Cyber Commander cannot fly. He also seems to have poor access to the rocket launcher on his back.

See 7:25 in the second video. The Heart Ray looks pretty destructive, and a lot like a burst of fire. Not exactly a weak attack, is it? I think that it would pwn Cyber Commander, personally.
Debate Round No. 2
wjmelements

Pro

I thank my opponent for this debate.

"Heart Ray" is clearly the extent of Happy Lover's powers.

As seen in my opponent's second video, around 14:45, this Heart Ray is clearly meant for offense and destruction. It is, however, very weak. At both times it was used (7:25 and 14:45), it was easily slapped off.

Heart Ray is clearly rather weak, and its effects are benign. Becoming overjoyed is harmless, and insanity is not implied as a result.

"As PRO, you must prove that it cannot."
Actually, you are asserting that interpretation, so you need proof.

The ability to fly would relate to evasiveness, and would contribute to defense points, not attack points. Happy Lover's ability to fly does not significantly help it attack because it uses a ray, not some physical combat move.

Upon reviewing the first video, Cyber Commander was not in a position to use its rocket launcher because it was in defense mode. Further, it was not seen in action using the rocket launcher at 1:50. Even in the second half of episode 13, the rocket launcher is not seen to be used. However, that does not mean that it is not usable, and even still, the entire strike force has bazookas.

So, let us review.
Happy Lover has an easily deflectable and benign heart ray and is a weak cherub.
Cyber Commander is a strike force armed with powerul bazookas and rocket launchers.

So, which should have a higher attack? Cyber Commander is clearly more powerful. Vote PRO.
mongoose

Con

As seen in my opponent's second video, around 14:45, this Heart Ray is clearly meant for offense and destruction. It is, however, very weak. At both times it was used (7:25 and 14:45), it was easily slapped off"

That is because it was meant to suicide so that the Mokey Mokey would increase in strength. Notably, both of the opponent's that it faced had a great deal of attack points.

And now, I need us to discount all things stated by the Heart Ray. It actually attacks using something that seems to be called "Gushy Burst," which does not have the same effects of happiness. It looks like a burst of fire, which is clearly powerful. This means that Happy Lover is more powerful than just using a Heart Ray.

While Cyber Commander may have bazookas and rocket launchers, neither of these are supernatural. They would both be destroyed by a burst of supernatural flames, which is exactly what Happy Lover has.

You seem to be implying that Cyber Commander has his entire strike force with him. He doesn't; he is alone. This can be seen by Tristan being alone in the video. He is just part of a strike force, which is not there with him.

Clearly, a supernatural burst of flames is more powerful than bazookas and rocket launchers, used by a single warrior. Vote CON.

I did a lot more research for this debate that I though I would.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
O, this was a fun debate.
Posted by mongoose 8 years ago
mongoose
Aw... but it's SUPERNATURAL!
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
Never mind. It looks as if mongoose's vote will be alone.
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
I think that my vote will be the only deciding vote. And the voting period is three months...
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
That's a lol.
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
Hey, guys, I think that we're the only three people who actually care about this debate.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
(exclamation, not exclaimation)
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
And apparently an exclaimation mark too.
Spelling and Grammar to CON.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
"It it probably not very bright"

So, 3-5, not significant enough to make a decision over.
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
He also failed to put dashes in "Yu-Gi-Oh"...
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