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STALIN
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NightofTheLivingCats
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D-Day was not a turning point in WWII and had no effect on the outcome of the war.

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STALIN
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/20/2013 Category: Arts
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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STALIN

Pro

You asked me to challenge you to this debate. Anyway, round one is for acceptance only if you agree.
NightofTheLivingCats

Con

"D-Day" is the Normandy landings. It will include the landing themselves and the Allied effort to keep the beaches.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"Turning point" means that the battle shifted the gears.

"No effect" means that even if the battle never taken place, the outcome would stay the same.

Thank you for this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
STALIN

Pro

I thank Con for accepting this debate. The Normandy landings, also known as D-Day is usually viewed by the west as one of the most important events of WWII. However what is not understood, is that D-Day took place in 1944 when it was clear that Germany would lose. Germany was heavily outnumbered on all fronts and had no sufficient reserves of planes and armor.

During D-Day, 156,000 allied troops assaulted a 10,000 man German front. Germany had relatively few troops in France because most of those soldiers were fighting on other fronts. D-Day enabled the allies to later invade France, however besides shortening the war by perhaps a couple months, the allied invasion of France did nothing. Germany would have lose, sooner or later. [1]

I will compare D-Day with Stalingrad, the real turning point of the war.

Reasons that Stalingrad was important:

-Saved Stalingrad (the second most important city in the USSR)
-Saved the valuable oil-fields at the Caucuses (Grozny, Baku, Maykop, etc) which provided some 95% of Soviet oil. [2]
-Saved the British Empire (stopped Germany from breaking into the middle-east which was lightly defended from where they could reach India and Egypt)
-Germany suffered a staggering 850,000 casualties [2]
-This was the largest defeat for Germany
-The entire coarse of the war in Europe changed (in other words this was the most important turning point of the war)
-The Germans were in retreat on a scale never seen before shortly following the end of the Battle of Stalingrad
-Ensured that Turkey would not join the axis

What was more important, a battle that resulted in 20,000 casualties, or a battle that resulted in 2,000,000 dead? At D-Day, Germany suffered some 6,000 casualties. At Stalingrad the axis suffered 850,000 casualties. Before Stalingrad, Germany had a chance to win. After Stalingrad the chances of a Germany victory were almost nonexistent. D-Day shortened the war by a couple months but had no effect on the outcome of WWII.

I would like to also state that Con picked a weak battle to support in this debate. The Battle of Moscow, the Battle of Britain, or even the Battle of Kursk might have been debatable in importance to Stalingrad, however D-Day is not.

The Western Allies promised to open a second front in 1942, then in 1943. However they only opened the front 11 months before the end of the war when there was no doubt about the outcome.

Sources:
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NightofTheLivingCats

Con

STAILN is making a Red Herring when he says Stailngrad was important. Staingrad WAS important, but so was D-Day.

D-Day hasten the end of the war and saved Paris lot faster. Even if it wasn't a turning point, it had an affect. It opened a Two-Front war on Germany. This was a effect. The BOP is on STALIN to proved BOTH points or he loses.
Debate Round No. 2
STALIN

Pro

"D-Day was not a turning point in WWII and had no effect on the outcome of the war" <---Our debate.

I have proved that D-Day did not effect the outcome of the war. I have also proved that it was not a turning point since the axis were already losing many months before the allies invaded France.
NightofTheLivingCats

Con

NightofTheLivingCats forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
STALIN

Pro

I win, why ask me to challenge you at this debate if you won't even reply Con...
NightofTheLivingCats

Con

NightofTheLivingCats forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
STALIN

Pro

D-Day clearly had no effect on the outcome of the war. Con forfeited so I win.
NightofTheLivingCats

Con

NightofTheLivingCats forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Reasons for voting decision: The wheels on the FF go FFFFFFFF
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Reasons for voting decision: There were many arguments that Con could have used to at least have a tie or win against pro but unfortunately did not provide much arguments and backed out of the debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Wow, what a wasted opportunity... Like another voter said, Con could have based his argument on the fact that D-Day kept the USSR from controlling Europe entirely and also left the Nazis no where to run from Berlin... Too bad he ff and put so little effort into his arguments. No contest.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con could have had a solid case, if they argued that it was vital for preventing the Russians for controlling all of Europe during a cold war (which would be an "outcome of the war") but he missed the opportunity. Con tried to change the debate from "effect on the outcome of the war" to simply "effect" and with the little effort that he put in, even if Pro let that slide, Pro would probably have won. Conduct for the forfeits.