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Mikeee
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soulreaperjo
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DDO Needs a History Catagory

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Started: 10/10/2011 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Mikeee

Pro

Pro will have to make a convincing argument that DDO should add a history category

Con will have to make a convincing argument that a history category is not needed and should not be added.

First round is for questions and acceptance only

No semantics (I don't know how it would be possible but...?)
soulreaperjo

Con

Ok, first of all you didn't really elaborate on why we should have a history category.

Second, the world has more issues of importance other then figuring out something that's already been resolved!!

So, basically what I'm asking is why have a DDO category for something so useless?

Come back to me when you have a case worth presenting.
Debate Round No. 1
Mikeee

Pro

"Ok, first of all you didn't really elaborate on why we should have a history category.
Second, the world has more issues of importance other then figuring out something that's already been resolved!!
So, basically what I'm asking is why have a DDO category for something so useless?
Come back to me when you have a case worth presenting."

History is being discovered every day, and just like science, everything new piece of the puzzle is found, we have to readjust everything we know. Were you alive during the times of ancient civilizations, I wasn't, everything we know about history is mainly theories, the only evidence we have are the artifacts they leave behind, and written documents (which are usually vague, un-translated, or no existing/not found/destroyed). Just like science, history is not fully understood and we still have much to learn. People do not agree on certain aspects of history, such as did Jesus (and other people) really exist, what happened to (certain civilization(s)), why did they Mayan run back into the jungle, how did Paleolithic people really live, was a certain (ruler/military leader) better than another, etc. History is and never will be completely resolved and accepted until time machines enable us to see both future, past, and present.

History helps us understand the world around us. If you knew the complete history of the Middle East you would be able to understand the conflicts that are happening there better, and make a better educated decision on how to deal with the situation. History helps us to be more aware of other people's cultures and traditions (hence it is sometimes called SOCIAL SCIENCE). Having an understand of other people, makes us, as human beings, more accepting, and less ignorant towards others.

If we did not study history, the same mistakes would keep happening, and no progress would be made.

Conclusion:

History is unresolved, like science; new information continually changes what we previously thought was right, History does have a use and is important
soulreaperjo

Con

I do agree with you on certain aspects of your argument, such as it helps learn about the world around us. But let me ask you what are some of the most contreversial subjects in the world today? Are any of them history-related? No, you know why, cause this is the present where we have no need to learn about why the "Mayans ran into the jungle" or how the "Paleolithic people really lived" does this help the people who are constantly dying from famine or poverty? Ya, I didn't thnk so.

Another important argument you stated is how people such as Jesus and other religious leaders really existed, but doing this means contradicting an entire religion. I wouldn't think of this as a really viable solution.
Debate Round No. 2
Mikeee

Pro

"But let me ask you what are some of the most contreversial subjects in the world today? Are any of them history-related? No, you know why, cause this is the present where we have no need to learn about why the "Mayans ran into the jungle" or how the "Paleolithic people really lived" does this help the people who are constantly dying from famine or poverty? Ya, I didn't thnk so. "

The most important issues of today ARE HISTORY RELATED. What is the US government based off of? It is based off of a document that was created by historical figures. We have been living our modern day lives by a document that was written almost 400 years ago. Do you know why there is so much conflict in the Middle East? Wars and fights between peoples and nations have been going on there far before 9/11 and the end of WWII.

Does that fact that aliens might exist or that everything is made up of tiny partials, or politics help feed people who are starving? No. The Mayans and other ancient civilizations have knowledge that will still do not have today. Ancient Mayan astronomy is still as advanced as modern 21st century technology.

"Another important argument you stated is how people such as Jesus and other religious leaders really existed, but doing this means contradicting an entire religion. I wouldn't think of this as a really viable solution."

Many religions have the same beliefs, but different sects. Not all Catholics believe the same exact thing. There are sects that believe Jesus did not exist, and it is just a story that teaches morals. Other parts of the faith believe that Jesus was only a prophet, or he was an ordinary man. Even if we were to come to a conclusion, that doesn't mean it has to be accepted, or that I is the right conclusion.

Conclusion

History is just as important as science, politics, and other subjects
Vote Pro
soulreaperjo

Con

I disagree with your first argument, partly because you said quote " What is the US government based off of? It is based off of a document that was created by historical figures. We have been living our modern day lives by a document that was written almost 400 years ago." this is partially false as our constitution can be due to change at any time, so these documents of history are basically pointless now. Also your other argument, quote "Do you know why there is so much conflict in the Middle East? Wars and fights between peoples and nations have been going on there far before 9/11 and the end of WWII." I don't really see the relevance of this argument. How is finding the history of these conflicts going to help prevent it??

In your second contention you stated how the Mayan's astronomical technology is advanced as modern 21st century technology, however you didnt really expand on the topic or give good evidence. The Mayan's most notable acheivements are their accurate calendar and phases of the moon. This piece of evidence completely nails your claim of how, "The Mayans and other ancient civilizations have knowledge that will still do not have today."

Ok now your final argument states how many religions have varying beliefs, while other have the same core beliefs. Trying to prove my preceding argument wrong, you actually approve of my resolution by stating the unstability of the historical document, the Bible. You said, quote, "Not all Catholics believe the same exact thing. There are sects that believe Jesus did not exist, and it is just a story that teaches morals. Other parts of the faith believe that Jesus was only a prophet, or he was an ordinary man." Catholism and other sectors of Christianity all follow the same historical document, the Bible. I'm correct in verse John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” This verse even states the divinity of Jesus. My point being is that these historical bases have no value at all in today's world and can be modified at any time.

In Conclusion of my argument I'm trying to point out that history has no value in today's world as it can be completely modified and won't hold the same value as it once did. My opponent's arguments were completely unaccurate as he stated that historical progress still holds great value, however that's not true in the society we live in today.

Thank You, Please Vote Con
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by soulreaperjo 5 years ago
soulreaperjo
Ya, I agree lol both of our arguments went far off the resolution.
Posted by Mikeee 5 years ago
Mikeee
Ingnor this debate. Both of us went way off topic and neither came to a clear solution relating to DDO. I am redebating this and will try to stay on topics...
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Reasons for voting decision: I'll have to give it to con on conduct grounds because Pro should have argued for the resolution but neither side was convincing to me.
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Reasons for voting decision: This debate didn't really make any sense. Neither side is actually arguing about the title. Con said "contreversial", so I'll give Pro spelling. Pro generally had better spelling and grammar as well. Grats Pro? In the future, you should use arguments that apply to the debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Man-is-good's RFD is actually spot on. I have no idea why the two debaters are arguing about the importance of history rather than whether making such a category at DDO is justified.
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Reasons for voting decision: To be honest, I find neither side compelling...and am surprised that the debate evolved into that of the utility of history, not a history forum to DDO....Note that consequently, neither were arguing the resolution, as Mikee quickly opted for an argument on the relevance of history that soon steered the entire debate about history's pertinence in the modern world, which wasn't the resolution at all...