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DJ Tiesto is the best DJ in the world

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Started: 8/10/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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animpossiblepossibility

Pro

I will allow opponent to make definitions. I will start off by listing 'some' awards that he has received through his music:

World Dancestar Award U.S.A. Best International DJ
ID&T Dutch DJ Award Best Dutch DJ by professional jury
ID&T Dutch DJ Award Best Dutch DJ by audience
Radio 538 Dance Award Radio 538 Dutch Audience Edison
TMF Award Holland Best Dance Act National
TMF Award Holland Best National DJ
TMF Award Belgium Best Dance International
MTV Europe Music Award Best Dutch Act
BG Magazine Award Best Club/Trance/Hardhouse DJ
DJ Mag Top 100 Number 1 Position
Mixmag Award Best Resident Ibiza
ID&T Dutch DJ Award Best Dutch DJ by audience
Buma/Stemra Sound of Silence Award
TMF Award Belgium Best International DJ
World Music Award World's best selling Dutch artist
Ibiza DJ Award Best International DJ Trance
TMF Award Holland Best National DJ
TMF Award Holland Best Dance Act National
DJ Mag Top 100 Number 1 Position
WMC Awards Miami Best International DJ
3 FM Award Best Dance Artist
Release Dance Award Best Trance/Progressive artist
Release Dance Award Best International DJ
TMF Belgium Best International DJ
Dance Music Award Germany Best Trance Artist
WMC Awards Miami Best Producer
WMC Awards Miami Best Hi-NRG / Euro track
WMC Awards Miami The Ortofon Best European DJ 2004
WMC Awards Miami Best Producer 2004
TMF Award Holland Best Dance National
TMF Award Holland Radio 538 single of the year
TMF Award Holland Lifetime Achievement
Edison Music Award Best dance album ' Just Be
2000 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 24th (debut)
2001 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 6th
2002 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 1st
2003 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 1st
2003 40th greatest Dutch citizen of all time
2003 Officer of the Order of Orange-Nassau
2004 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 1st
2005 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 2nd
2006 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 3rd
2006 International Dance4Life Ambassador
2007 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 2nd
2008 Beatport Music Awards: 2nd Best Trance Artist
2008 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking: 2nd
2009 Mixmag's #1 DJ of 2008
2009 Beatport Music Awards: 2nd Best Trance Artist
1999 Gold Sales Award (Gouryella)
2000 Gold Sales Award (Walhalla)
2002 Zilveren Harp Music Award
2002 Lucky Strike Dance Award
2002 Dutch Popprijs
2002 Ibiza DJ Award: Best International DJ Trance
2003 World Dancestar Award U.S.A.: Best International DJ
2003 ID&T Dutch DJ Award: Best Dutch DJ by professional jury
2003 ID&T Dutch DJ Award: Best Dutch DJ by audience
2003 Radio 538 Dance Award: Radio 538 Dutch Audience Edison
2003 TMF Award Holland: Best Dance Act National
2003 TMF Award Holland: Best National DJ
2003 TMF Award Belgium: Best Dance International
2003 MTV Europe Music Awards: Best Dutch Act
2003 BG Magazine Award: Best Club/Trance/Hardhouse DJ
2003 Mixmag Award: Best Resident Ibiza
2004 ID&T Dutch DJ Award: Best Dutch DJ by audience
2004 Buma/Stemra Sound of Silence Award
2004 TMF Award Belgium: Best International DJ
2004 World Music Award: World's best selling Dutch artist
2004 Ibiza DJ Award: Best International DJ Trance
2004 TMF Award Holland: Best National DJ
2004 TMF Award Holland: Best Dance Act National
2004 WMC Awards Miami: Best International DJ
2004 DJUK awards: best DJ
2005 3 FM Award: Best Dance Artist
2005 Release Dance Award: Best Trance/Progressive artist
2005 Release Dance Award: Best International DJ
2005 TMF Belgium: Best International DJ
2005 Dance Music Award Germany: Best Trance Artist
2005 WMC Awards Miami: Best Producer
2005 WMC Awards Miami: Best Hi-NRG / Euro track
2005 WMC Awards Miami: The Ortofon Best European DJ 2004
2005 WMC Awards Miami: Best Producer 2004
2005 TMF Award Holland: Best Dance National
2005 TMF Award Holland: Radio 538 single of the year
2005 TMF Award Holland: Lifetime Achievement
2005 Edison Music Award: Best dance album – Just Be
2006 TMF Awards Belgium: Award for Lifetime achievement
2006 TMF Awards Belgium: Best Dance2006 TMF Awards Belgium: Best remixer
2006 3 FM Awards: Best Dance Artist
2006 Canadian Golden Award (Ti�sto in Concert 2 DVD)
2007 WMC Awards Miami: Best Progressive House/Trance Track (Dance4Life)
2007 WMC Awards Miami: Best Ortofon Global DJ 2006
2007 WMC Awards Miami: Best Full Length DJ Mix CD (In Search of Sunrise 5: Los Angeles)
2007 Radio 3FM Awards: Best Dance artist
2008 BUMA golden harp award 2007
2008 Dutch BUMA export award
2008 WMC Awards Miami: Best Global DJ
2008 WMC Awards Miami: Best Full Length DJ Mix CD (In Search of Sunrise 6: Ibiza)
2008 Ibiza DJ Award: Best International DJ
2008 IDMA Award Best Global DJ / Best Electronic Dance Album - Elements Of Life
2008 Best International DJ at the DJ Awards

http://www.thedjlist.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I will now await my opponent's response.
feverish

Con

Thanks to my opponent for instigating this debate, during which, I will attempt to prove that the possibility that "DJ Tiesto is the best DJ in the world" is indeed improbable and virtually impossible.

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Definitions:

Best:
http://www.google.co.uk...
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

the person who is most outstanding or excellent; someone who tops all others; "he could beat the best of them"

DJ:
http://www.google.co.uk...
http://thesaurus.reference.com...
http://www.urbandictionary.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org....
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I won't bother defining 'world' but obviously we are talking international, rather than just local here.

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Arguments:

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1. Awards.

My opponent's entire opening argument consists of an impressive looking list of awards won by DJ Tiesto but he doesn't go on to explain why these prove his status as the world's best.

People can receive awards based on many criteria other than outstanding ability and they are only the opinions of the people who give them out.

Some publications or other companies who give awards may have direct commercial links with an artist they give awards to, (as in the case of Mixmag and DJ Tiesto http://www.rapidshareindex.com...) others may be trying to associate their organisation with a popular personality regardless of their personal opinions.

The vast majority of the awards are in any case completely irrelevant to the resolution.

Of approximately 100 awards listed:

About a quarter (26) are specific to Holland and Dutch audiences and have nothing to do with being the best in the world.

Almost half (48) do not refer to DJing at all and are awards for Tiesto's achievements as a producer, artist, re-mixer, ambassador, generally great guy etc.

Some appear to be multiple entries, for example "TMF Award Holland Best National DJ" appears twice with two separate dates but also twice again nearer the top of the list without a date for either. This and other duplications suggest the list may not be accurate, especially as my opponent seems to have combined lists from two different sites.

Once we also rule out those that refer only to a specific genre or genres or only apply to a select few (Ibiza residents etc.) only a handful remain.

We must also take note that the resolution suggests Tiesto IS the best, not that he has been voted the best by some individuals in the past. We should therefore also disregard all awards for achievement in previous years as these do not reflect our subject's current status.

When the above criteria is applied to the listed awards, very few can infer any relevance to the current debate
Most of the awards fall into least two of these categories and are thus invalid for proving this resolution on multiple levels.

Lastly if we were to regard the people who select such awards as having ultimate authority on who is the best DJ, then we should of course take note that in one of the most recent, "2008 DJMag Top 100 DJ Ranking", Tiesto actually came 2nd which would prove beyond any doubt that he is not the best.

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2. Opinion.

To claim that anyone is the best at anything, particularly an artform, can only ever be a statement of opinion, not a statement of fact.

You can claim to believe it based on your own critical analysis of the international music industry and you can point me to others who share your opinion but I think you will be hard-pressed to objectively prove that he is the best.

Being the most publicised, receiving the biggest performance fees and getting the most awards does not make someone the best.

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3. Skills.

There are many different skills inherent in the art of DJing and I would expect the best DJ in the world to be a master of all of them.

Many of these skills such as beat-matching and crowd interaction I would say that Tiesto has probably mastered to a very high level but I'm not so sure about skills like scratching and other turntablist techniques.

I would also like to see some evidence for Tiesto having a deep knowledge of music beyond the Trance/hard house genre he specialises in.

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That will be all for now, 5000 characters is really not enough for all the points I would like to make.

I look forward to my opponent's response.

Thanks.
Con.
Debate Round No. 1
animpossiblepossibility

Pro

I thank my opponent for debating me on this topic.

I agree with the definitions, with DJ being "an individual who plays recorded music on the radio or at social events."

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Arguments:
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1.Awards

To be considered as the best at something, you have to be excellent at something. A synonym of excellence is merit, defined by dictionary.com as "claim to respect and praise; excellence; worth." An award (n), defined by dictionary.com, is "something awarded or granted, as for merit." By having numerous awards, DJ Tiesto has shown that he has the most merit, which in turn shows that he is excellent at being a DJ. Because he is excellent as a DJ, according to our definition, he is the best.

DJ Tiesto is the first ever DJ to win DJ Magazine's "#1 DJ in the world for 3 consecutive years." (1)

DJ Tiesto has won awards in Holland, Belgium, Ibiza, Miami, Germany, Canada, as well as the MTV Europe Music Awards, Beatport Music, Edison Music, World Music, Zilveren Harp Music, Radio 538, as well as many others. (1)

"TMF Award Holland Best National DJ" was won in multiple years by DJ Tiesto, along with the others I mentioned in the first round according to my first source that round. To say that they are inaccurate is unfounded.

"Almost half (48) do not refer to DJing"

DJing has many aspects to it, including mixing, producing, being an artist, as well as many other things. (2)

"We must also take note that the resolution suggests Tiesto IS the best, not that he has been voted the best by some individuals in the past."

I stated that DJ Tiesto is the best DJ in the world, not the best, so we are proving that he is the best based on music related categories. To determine who the best based on music related categories is, people have to vote, similar to many other ‘best' categories. Awards are based on who has received the most votes, therefore they are completely relevant.

"We should therefore also disregard all awards for achievement in previous years as these do not reflect our subject's current status."

Not necessarily. Michael Jordan is considered as the best basketball player in the world, yet he has already retired. (3) John Wooden is the best coach in college basketball, and he is 98 and retired. (4) Why are they considered the best, when in their current status they are not? To determine who the best at something is, you must look at their previous accomplishments, in this case, awards.

"Lastly if we were to regard the people who select such awards as having ultimate authority on who is the best DJ"

To be considered the best at something, you must look at all of their accomplishments, not just one. DJ Tiesto was #1 from 2002-2004 in the same magazine, so according to your philosophy he is the best.

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2. Opinion

If a majority of opinion says that DJ Tiesto is the best, then that would be a statement of fact that he is the best.

"does not make someone the best"
Then what does make someone the best DJ according to you?

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3. Skills

I have shown that he has won multiple awards in every category of being a DJ, thus he is a master of all of them.

My opponent admits that he is a master in some categories.

"some evidence for Tiesto having a deep knowledge of music beyond the Trance/hard house"

"Lovestoned" remix of Justin Timberlake's song is highly acclaimed. (see video) Justin Timberlake's music is not in the Trance/hard house genre.

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1.http://www.answers.com...
2.http://en.wikipedia.org...
3.http://www.nba.com...
4.http://www.examiner.com...
feverish

Con

It seems that the fact that he has won a lot of awards is the sole argument my opponent has that Tiesto is the best DJ in the world.

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1. Awards.

<"By having numerous awards, DJ Tiesto has shown that he has the most merit, which in turn shows that he is excellent at being a DJ. Because he is excellent as a DJ, according to our definition, he is the best.">

No, even if we were to accept his excellence based on awards (which I don't) this still does not prove that others are not more excellent, whether or not they have received as many awards.

<"TMF Award Holland Best National DJ" was won in multiple years by DJ Tiesto, along with the others I mentioned in the first round according to my first source that round. To say that they are inaccurate is unfounded.">

Yes, I acknowledged that he won it in multiple years. It appears four times in your list but only twice with a year next to it and I am suggesting that you may have inadvertently posted the same awards from your two different sources.

<"DJing has many aspects to it, including mixing, producing, being an artist, as well as many other things.">

Producing and being an artist are completely separate activities and skills to DJing and mixing tracks together is different to remixing.
Thanks for re-posting my source which explains quite clearly that DJing involves selecting and playing music, not creating music as these other "aspects" do. If your still confused after reading it, these may help:

http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

<"I stated that DJ Tiesto is the best DJ in the world, not the best, so we are proving that he is the best based on music related categories."

DJing =/= other music related categories.

I was using "best" as an abbreviation of "best DJ in the world" here, sorry if that was unclear.

<"To determine who the best at something is, you must look at their previous accomplishments, in this case, awards.">

No, even if awards were a good indicator (which they aren't for reasons I've explained), previous awards would only tell us who WAS the best not who IS the best (DJ in the world).

<"DJ Tiesto was #1 from 2002-2004 in the same magazine, so according to your philosophy he is the best.">

I have dismissed the significance of awards from the start, it is not "[my] philosophy".
Please do not quote me out of context to suggest a contradiction that is not present.

If (as my opponent seems to but I obviously do not) one places ultimate authority with the people who decide who wins these awards, then the fact that Tiesto was found 2nd best even once (let alone in one of the most recent examples) clearly negates the resolution.

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2. Opinion.

<"If a majority of opinion says that DJ Tiesto is the best, then that would be a statement of fact that he is the best.">

This makes no sense.

Opinion = Subjective.
Fact = Objective.
Subjective =/= Objective.
Opinion =/= Fact.

Perhaps yet more definitions are required.

"An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts." http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.google.co.uk...

<"what does make someone the best DJ according to you?">

Skills.

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3. Skills.

<"he has won multiple awards in every category of being a DJ, thus he is a master of all of them.">

As explained above and on the various links provided throughout this debate; music production, composition, recording and re-mixing are not categories of "being a DJ".

On the other hand, techniques such as scratching (including advanced techniques like 'crab' and 'flare'), beat juggling, needle dropping and cut-and-paste are categories of DJing and (although I would welcome evidence to the contrary) I confidently assert that DJ Tiesto is far from a master of any of these.

Take a look at the first two videos I posted and tell me if Tiesto is on this level.

Additionally a well-rounded and broad appreciation of music is a vital DJ attribute and I'm not confident that Tiesto truly has the ability to step out of his genre-specific pigeon hole.

The Timberlake track is a perfect example of a remix. What Tiesto has done hear is create a track in his familiar trance genre and use Justin's vocal track as a sample within it. Tiesto has nothing to do with the original r&b track (final video).

Again, had much more to say but ran out of space.

Thanks.
Debate Round No. 2
animpossiblepossibility

Pro

I am trying to show that previous accomplishments are the best criteria in determining whether someone is the best or not.

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1. Awards

It does prove that others are not more excellent, because he has the most accomplishments, in this case awards. Because he has the most accomplishments, he is the best.

"Some appear to be multiple entries, for example "TMF Award Holland Best National DJ" appears twice with two separate dates but also twice again nearer the top of the list without a date for either. This and other duplications suggest the list may not be accurate, especially as my opponent seems to have combined lists from two different sites."

"Yes, I acknowledged that he won it in multiple years."

No, you didn't. You tried to prove that they were inaccurate, which they are not.

"Producing and being an artist are completely separate activities and skills to DJing and mixing tracks together is different to remixing."

Produce- "to bring into existence by intellectual or creative ability" dictionary.com

DJing involves bringing into existence music by intellectual or creative ability.

Artist- "a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer" dictionary.com

A DJ is a public performer.

"Thanks"

Your welcome, anytime.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

DJing goes into 84 categories. There is a lot more to it than just selecting and playing music as you say.

"DJing =/= other music related categories."

DJing= beatmatching, beatmixing, chopping, scratching, along with many others. Those are music related categories, are they not?

"No, even if awards were a good indicator (which they aren't for reasons I've explained), previous awards would only tell us who WAS the best not who IS the best (DJ in the world)."

Again, I will revert back to my previous round. My opponent has yet to answer the question: why are Michael Jordan and John Wooden considered presently as the best at being a basketball player and college basketball coach respectively? They are obviously not presently the best at what they do, yet they are still considered as such. I can also show many other persons/objects who are considered presently as the best even though they take into account the past to determine it:

Best painting in the world: http://www.listology.com...
Best baseball player- http://baseballguru.com...
Best unfunny comedian- http://coedmagazine.com...
Best Movie- http://www.time.com...

And the list goes on…

Previous accomplishments do tell you who is the best.

"Tiesto was found 2nd best even once"

Like I said, previous accomplishment"s" determine who is the best. Basing who is the best off of one award is irrational. You have to take into account multiple awards over multiple years.

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2. Opinion

Skills = Subjective.
Fact = Objective.
Subjective =/= Objective.
Skills =/= Fact.

This makes no sense either.

Subjectivity- "Subjectivity refers to a person's perspective or opinion, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires." -Wikipedia

Skills are subjective. You may feel that one person has skills, while I feel that another person has better skills. It is your opinion or perspective, therefore it is subjective. How do you determine who has the best "skills?" Popular opinion, similar to awards.

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3. Skills

"As explained above and on the various links"
DJ's record mixes to play at events. Your source says "This list may not reflect recent changes." How can I be sure that the ones that I have mentioned are not categories after all? Syncing, nudging, and cross fading are also categories, yet they are not listed (1). All of your sources are from Wikipedia too.

Category- "A general class of ideas, terms, or things that mark divisions or coordination's within a conceptual scheme" dictionary.com

"I confidently assert that DJ Tiesto is far from a master of any of these."

Prove it then. Define master and prove objectively that Tiesto is not a master of them.

"Take a look at the first two videos I posted and tell me if Tiesto is on this level."

This is clearly subjective. I think Tiesto is way above their levels. How are you going to prove me wrong? It is all based on opinion.

"a well-rounded and broad appreciation of music is a vital DJ attribute"
Source?

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The best way to measure whether someone is the 'best' at something is to look at all of their accomplishments. I have shown that DJ Tiesto is the most accomplished DJ, therefore resolution is affirmed. Vote PRO.

1. http://bpmdj.yellowcouch.org...
feverish

Con

Me: "I acknowledged that he won it in multiple years."
Pro: "No, you didn't."

Me(round 1): "appears twice with two separate dates but also twice again nearer the top of the list without a date for either."

Here, I was acknowledging that he had won this (Dutch only) award in '03 & '04 as shown in the list. I'm suggesting that the OTHER TWO times this award appears (with no date and apparently pasted from a separate source) may be duplicates.

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My opponent seems to still be extremely confused about the distinctions between DJing, producing and being a recording artist.

"DJing involves bringing into existence music by intellectual or creative ability."

No it doesn't, it involves playing music not creating it.

The fact that many DJs (including Tiesto) are also music artists and producers does not change the definition of DJing.

"A DJ is a public performer."

Of course but this is a semantic attempt to categorise a DJ as a recording artist because they happen to be a performing artist. It's like saying Bruce Lee was painting when he performed martial arts.

It seems my sources are not being read, so I will provide helpful excerpts:

"A disc jockey (also known as disk jockey, DJ or deejay) is a person who selects and plays recorded music for an audience."

"A recording artist creates recorded music, such as CDs and MP3 files."

"In the music industry, a record producer has many roles, among them controlling the recording sessions, coaching and guiding the musicians, organizing and scheduling production budget and resources, and supervising the recording, mixing and mastering processes."

Tiesto's achievements in these separate fields do not make him a good DJ.

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http://en.wikipedia.org...

"DJing goes into 84 categories. There is a lot more to it than just selecting and playing music as you say."

Absolutely. It seems that you have been reading a little after all. In this list you will not see anything about creating or producing music.

"DJing= beatmatching, beatmixing, chopping, scratching, along with many others. Those are music related categories, are they not?"

Yes but they are categories OF DJing, not OTHER musical categories like the ones you were referring to.

"DJing =/= other music related categories."

None of Tiesto's awards are for any of these DJ categories.

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Michael Jordan is clearly not the best basketball player now or he would still be playing in the NBA and representing his country. The nba link confirms him as the greatest of all time, not the current best.

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In the last round my opponent equated opinion with fact.

When I pointed this fallacy out to him, his only response was to say that skills could also only be judged by opinion. The difference being that I did not equate skill with fact.

Although we use our perception to judge the extent of a skill it is less subjective than mere personal preference and in a battle if one demonstrates superior skill they win, this is more accurate than awards.

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<"DJ's record mixes to play at events.">

No, DJs generally mix live, unless they are not sufficiently skilled. (It is after all, a performance).

<"How can I be sure that the ones that I have mentioned are not categories after all?">

Because they have nothing to do with playing records.

<"Syncing, nudging, and cross fading are also categories, yet they are not listed">

Syncing = beat matching (synchronising), nudging = tempo adjustment (part of beat mixing), cross fading is part of many techniques including most scratching and mixing (the cross-fader selects which record is playing and a scratch DJ uses it to cut the sound he is scratching with in and out).

<"Prove it then. Define master and prove objectively that Tiesto is not a master of them.">

That would be a different debate. In this one, you as instigator and Pro must prove he is the best.

There is no evidence of Tiesto mastering very difficult turntablist techniques or even a basic level of scratching.

Beat-mixing is difficult for a beginner but anyone who puts in the effort will soon get the hang of it. Scratch techniques like 'the crab' take years to develop.

It is common sense that the best DJs in the world should master many genres and styles.

Our definition for "the best" describes an individual who can take on and defeat all comers. Tiesto has never competed, much less won a serious DJ battle/competition like the DMC.

Thanks.
Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Alex 7 years ago
Alex
Being the best does not mean that you never lose.
Posted by purplehaze 7 years ago
purplehaze
Actually High Contrast has some beautiful tunes aswell....

Adele Hometown Glory by High Contrast. Now theres a tune for you!!!!
Posted by purplehaze 7 years ago
purplehaze
I think Tiesto is shite besides one or two tunes. I reckon Deadmau5 is the best. Or Ferry Corsten but hes only good live. You cant really say anyone is the best though because there are so many brilliant DJs who just never went mainstream.
Posted by USAPitBull63 7 years ago
USAPitBull63
Good call on Daft Punk, too.

The Crystal Method and The Prodigy are never to be overlooked, although they're not exclusive DJs like Tiesto.
Posted by animpossiblepossibility 7 years ago
animpossiblepossibility
Tiesto is consistently at the top year after year, that is one of the reasons why I think he is the best.
Posted by demosthenes12 7 years ago
demosthenes12
tiesto might be the best, thats why i wont argue. and awards... yeah he's got them. but basshunter has the best techno melodies (even if he doesn't mix his stuff live) and Daft Punk has the most energy. Infected Mushroom has the most creativity. Its hard to say that any single artist is just the plain best. I like DJ skribble and DJ Quack-quack.
Posted by USAPitBull63 7 years ago
USAPitBull63
D.J. Tanner is Kirk Cameron's sister, you know....
Posted by USAPitBull63 7 years ago
USAPitBull63
I'll go with Tiesto.
Posted by animpossiblepossibility 7 years ago
animpossiblepossibility
ah, but I didn't put two dots between the D and the J, did I? Your article has 'multiple issues' anyways.

http://answers.yahoo.com...

I don't see your 'DJ' on there. Beat that.
Posted by Xer 7 years ago
Xer
Lmao @ JBlake.
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