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Trevor.Kramer
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SheepBruhScienceGuy123
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DNA Database/ Profiling

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Started: 4/11/2014 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Trevor.Kramer

Con

With DNA databases there are many privacy concerns. To begin, DNA can track a persons medical history, ancestry, gender, and even if a person is adopted or not. You never know what will happen if that kind of info falls into the wrong hands. Even with criminals when their DNA is taken after a major crime, not all of their personal information is exposed to people, so why would you risk letting a ton of non- criminal humans. Human rights is something all humans have due to the fact that they are human. Privacy to personal information is one of those rights, it is not right to take away a human's rights.

SOURCES:
www.constitutioncampaign.org
www.cnn.org (Privacy vs. Prosecution)
SheepBruhScienceGuy123

Pro

DNA helps catch repetitive offenders and privacy
Based off a study in the University of Virginia, 23.4 % of people who are stored in a database who have had a past of violent crimes are more likely to be convicted of crime within three years compared to those who are unprofiled. Meaning, those who have already been convicted are likely to commit more crimes and with their information in the DNA database, they are easier to apprehend, compared to their unprofiled counterparts. The argument of DNA databases are an invasion of privacy become irrelevant as databases consist of convicted criminals and those tried for criminal acts. Therefore, based off the data listed above, it is a benefit to have these insertions of DNA. Looking at those who are in DNA databases without criminal records. Their DNA can reveal medical records that may assist in future prevention of that family. It can also allow doctors a look at possible diseases based off past generations. There are multiple privacy laws in place for the privacy of DNA.

httss://news.virginia.edu...
Debate Round No. 1
Trevor.Kramer

Con

Wrongful convictions are another issue with the holding of human DNA and DNA databases. DNA evidence can be used incorrectly and can be used to sway a jury. Personal errors on the users make the use of it less than 100% accurate. DNA sample mix ups is the most common source of false matches. When trying to use DNA at crime scenes, there can be many problems. DNA degrades if it is not kept cool and dry, therefore by the time the law enforcement get to the scene, the DNA could already be bad. This all leads to inaccurate DNA typing.

SOURCES:
www.brighthub.com
www.utexas.edu
SheepBruhScienceGuy123

Pro

DNA helps solve cases
DNA has consistently helped police officers find the perpetrators of criminals. In New Zealand, their hit rate for crime samples are 58%. Meaning, 58% of all crime samples entered into the DNA database will correspond with an individual of the National DNA database. 34% of all crime samples entered onto the Crime Sample Database will connect or correspond to another crime. The Texas Department of Public Safety worked with The DNA Index System (CODIS) and the results were clearly evident. Since 1998, the DNA lab has helped solve 644 homicides, 3,399 sexual assaults, 4,273 burglaries, 556 robberies, and hundreds of other crimes in Texas along with other states. Throughout history, technology has advance exponentially and with that has come the DNA database. Several cases that could not be solved and all leads were exhausted are left untouched. These are referred to as "Cold Cases." Evidence from all cases is then stored and left alone normally. However; DNA database has allowed for a new world of possibilities when it came to evidence. With the extraction of DNA that can be found on things including finger prints, hair, and bodily fluids, along with the large amount of people within databases, new possibilities for finding the perpetrators has occurred with the advancements in technology. DNA databases also helps solve crimes that tie together. An example is a man known as the Twilight Rapist. With the DNA databases searching for those who have been incriminated for sexual assaults, it was possible to find the man and the police realized he was a serial rapist. A DNA test presented the same DNA that was seen on the women and crime scene which allowed the incarceration and imprisonment of this criminal.

http: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us...
Debate Round No. 2
Trevor.Kramer

Con

Access to and use of the DNA can be a struggle with a DNA database of everyone in the world. Not all people trust the public authority with something as import as all of there life history.Even in current use of DNA databases not all states are consistent with criminals. So why bother with everyone. DNA databases with criminals have had issues with hacking into people hacking into them. With the whole nation having there DNA in a database there would be an even bigger problem with that kind of issue.
SOURCE:
www.medicalnewstoday.com
www.pbs.org
www.blackhat.com
SheepBruhScienceGuy123

Pro

DNA databases reduce crime rates
Large DNA databases are connected to lower crime rates. DNA databases have other benefits besides the assistance of finding perpetrators. DNA databases yield a plethora of other benefits. One being, the reduction of crimes being committed. In a study from 2000 to 2008, it was concluded that DNA databases were associated to a reduction of crimes including the following:
A 6.6% decrease in rapes
A 2.9% decrease in aggravated assaults
A 3.2% decrease in murders
A 5.4% decrease in vehicle thefts.
These numbers demonstrate that those who are considering committing these crimes are more wary due to the extraction of DNA at crime scenes and the greater possibility of being convicted. Although these numbers may seem small, they are still significant decreases that would be non-existent without the presence of DNA databases. It is better to have decreasing crime rates because of the association to DNA databases compared to having the same or increasing crime rates without the databases. Also, with time will come advancement in technology and subsequently, better results when using these databases. This can directly relate to more decreasing crime rates. Criminals and offenders who are attempting crimes and are unaware of the cautions to take are deterred from committing such crimes in the fear of being caught due to leaving evidence such as DNA. DNA databases result in fewer catches for multiple reasons. These include a decreased amount of crimes and fewer, but more accurate arrests because of the reliability of DNA databases.

-https://news.virginia.edu...
Debate Round No. 3
Trevor.Kramer

Con

Another reason DNA databases are a bad idea is due to the fact that it directly goes against everyone's 4th amendment. Taking a sample from someones body to have DNA is considered a search/seize of that person. Getting that sample without a valid warrant is a direct violation of the 4th amendment. FBI manages a DNA index system called CODIS which has DNA data on violent crimes. So if you take a sample from everyone, it then makes them feel like criminals as well. The 4th amendment protects two fundamental liberty interest- right to privacy, and freedom from arbitrary innovations.

SOURCE:
www.fbi.gov
www.uclalawreview.org
www.law.cornel.edu
SheepBruhScienceGuy123

Pro

DNA databases exonerates wrongfully convicted defendants. Along with this, DNA allows for the release for those wrongfully incriminated. Throughout history, there have been multiple cases of evidence seeming to prove an individual wrong when in actuality, they are innocent. However, at the time of trial, they are wrongfully convicted. With the new advancements in technology, the police are allowed to go back and further gather evidence. This has allowed for the release of those wrongfully convicted and with particular people"s DNA already at the crime scene, those who are suspected can then be exonerated and dismissed. This allows for a quick capture of the actual criminal by ignoring those without matched DNA to that of the crime scene.
-https://www.ncjrs.gov...
Debate Round No. 4
Trevor.Kramer

Con

Logistics are the final reason why DNA databases are a bad idea for the entire world. Even under current laws collecting DNA from criminals, there are differences on who is responsible for taking and handling the DNA. This would cause a huge problem for the entire population. Is there a need to guard against duplicate samples? How would know if a sample has already been taken for that person so there is no duplicates. Duplicates would then cause the government to be losing money and putting us in more debt. It is said that DNA testing for paternity test cost $200. So if the whole population had to get a DNA sample taken who would pay for the test and storage?

SOURCES:
nij.gov
SheepBruhScienceGuy123

Pro

Cost effectiveness
DNA databases are more cost effective compared to other police counterparts. Without the use of DNA databases, it becomes more difficult to find individual subjects. This normally means increasing the task force by hiring more police officers which can result to the price of $26,300 to $62,500. The cost of preventing a serious offence by using DNA profiling is 70$. Calculations state that DNA databases are between 100 and 1,000 times more cost-effective compared to other law enforcement tools. Collecting and analyzing a DNA sample found in a crime scene is less than $40. In the United States, DNA samples in some cases only cost less than $20. Looking at the costs of crimes, DNA databases increase savings. Each profile resulted in 0.57 fewer serious offenses. Some believe the amount it costs to insert someone into a DNA database is too much. There is a price required to pay. Federal governments and 2010 spent approximately 30.5 million adding 761,509 offender profiles to DNA databases. However; because of this, the government saved 21 billion by preventing new crimes. Subtracting these numbers, you get a twenty billion, nine hundred, sixty-nine million, five hundred thousand difference. As seen through these calculations, it is much more beneficiary to collect DNA samples compared to none at all.
https://news.virginia.edu...
Debate Round No. 5
12 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by megancouillard56308 3 years ago
megancouillard56308
The pro side had more facts which created a solid argument, but I also liked how the con side had mentioned the 4th amendment. You both had good facts, but I think the pro had a better argument.
Posted by volleyball3 3 years ago
volleyball3
The DNA databases/ profiling is both good and bad. It can be useful to catch criminals, but it is an invasion of privacy. A person does have the right to privacy and with the 4th amendment it can help people have the right to privacy unless they have probable cause. But with this being okay it could help with letting the people out of jail who were wrongfully convicted. Both side had good reasons for and against it.
Posted by NateS 3 years ago
NateS
At the end of the argument I am still in the middle on this issue. I did vote more graciously. on the Pro side based on the reasons in my previous comment. I did notice that both sides used the words "DNA" and "Database." I understand that is part of the prompt, but there are other words that could have been supplemented.
Posted by mmariesanchez19 3 years ago
mmariesanchez19
I agree with the pros argument because I see more good in having DNA database/profiling than bad. DNA databases have helped us catch and imprison many criminals over the years. Yes there are bad things that can happen with DNA databases, like mix ups, but that doesn't mean that they are completely bad. There is always at least one bad thing but with that one bad thing usually comes a multitude of good things.
Posted by NateS 3 years ago
NateS
Acknowledge I am starting off reading this debate without a preference. The Pro side did contain more grammatical errors, but their arguments were much more dignified and supported. On top of that Pro went into much more elaborated facts than Con.
Posted by bmattes 3 years ago
bmattes
In the Pro side's arguments there were many gramatical errors. Both sides presented good arguments, but the pro side had many more statistics. The statistics on the pro side is what won me over, if the con had more facts the debate would be much better.
Posted by BLAKEVALENZUELA 3 years ago
BLAKEVALENZUELA
I think this should be allowed because it allows police to identify suspects and find criminals. Another thing is that it helps find medical backgrounds. I think that being able to help people find criminals.
Posted by aleah_nicole 3 years ago
aleah_nicole
With this debate, I still do not understand the concept of data base profling. Is it scanning your finger or somthing? I feel like more knowledge could have been presented to understand this topic better with both sides. I feel like Both did good if someone knew what they were talking sbout though.
Posted by Im_Batman 3 years ago
Im_Batman
I agree with the pro side of the argument, it proves just how useful this profiling can be in real world situations. And not just having to do with crime. The con side brings up the point of being able to find ancestors through DNA data base profiling, which in my opinion, serves as more of pro to the argument. It may seem a bit invading towards privacy, but when you have murderers and pedophiles living down the street from you, it doesn't seem so bad having your sane privacy being invaded a little.
Posted by TheGreatestofAllTime 3 years ago
TheGreatestofAllTime
The pro side won the debate in my opinion. it was pretty ironic, but everytime the con posted something, the pro would retaliate to what had been said. The pros points had many numbers and stats to back up what he was saying. The cons side did great overall, but could improve it's overall length of the points. Not many stats were used in the con side.
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