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Darth Revan V.S Darth Mual

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Started: 1/24/2012 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Pro is for Revan I will wait for acceptance....


Although I barely have heard of, let alone know anything about, Darth Revan. I will instead be trying to utilise my vast knowledge of the magnificent Darth Maul in a debate with you. I assume that we are NOT discussing who would win in a fight but merely debating who is superior as a master of the dark side of the force.

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1


Revan was a Dark Lord before Darth Muals time, He was the leader of the Sith during the Jedi civil war which happened after the Mandalorian Wars. Revan Also lead the republic in the Mandalorian Wars, and won.
He was the greatest of all Jedi and was the greatest of all Sith, he was the best tactical general the galaxy had ever seen.
Revan was Strong with the force more so than most, and excelled in all his teachings.
He converted hundreds of Jedi to the dark side, he used two lightsabers.

Now introduce Darth Mual...


Firstly I would just like to point out that it is purely based on subjective opinion that one can state that Darth Revan was the greatest of all Jedi and greatest of all Sith. Merely being the leader doesn't make him the best Jedi. It is like arguing that just because Palpatine was in charge of the storm troopers that he was a better jedi than Yoda or Mace Windu (Anakin helped him kill Windu, it doesn't count as a true victory).

Now let me first begin with explaining just how many more hurdles Darth Maul had to overcome in his tragic life. By birth, Maul was a Nightbrother; a clan of Zabraks who served as warriors and slaves of the dominant Nightsisters. Like the rest of his kin, Maul was subjected, shortly after birth, to an initiation ritual during which he was immersed in a "magic" oily bath, and covered head to toe in in black and red tattoos. Less than a year after Maul's birth, his mother encountered Darth Sidius, the young Sith apprentice of Darth Plageus, and implored him to save Maul from the life of a Nightbrother. Though somewhat reluctant, Sidious was persuaded to take Maul, especially given the infant's strong connection to the Force.

During his training, any show of fear was severely punished, and any hint of mercy rewarded with cruelty. By the time Maul was an adolescent, his master had already forged him into a weapon of pure hatred. He had a sense of honor, however, respecting those he deemed worthy opponents and granting them quick deaths. Despite a traumatic childhood, Maul had filial feelings toward his master, and never once contemplated killing him—until his final test.

The ultimate test came when Maul was abandoned by his master on an isolated Outer Rim Territories world, forced to survive alone while being hunted by hordes of assassin droids. After a month's time, Sidious returned and challenged his apprentice to a lightsaber duel, one which the weak and famished Maul quickly lost. Sidious then tossed Maul's lightsaber aside and told Maul that he had failed, and revealed that he had been secretly training another apprentice to replace Maul the entire time. Rage and hatred overwhelmed Maul and, in one final act of defiance, he lunged forward and sunk his teeth into his master's hand. As he spat the blood back into his master's face in contempt, Maul realized he was no match for the Dark Lord of the Sith, and when Maul's emotions were finally spent, he prepared himself for death. Sidious struck his lightsaber down on Maul, but without killing him since it had only been a training lightsaber. Sidious then laughed. By wanting to kill his own master, Maul had in fact passed the final test. There had been no other apprentice. Sidious proclaimed him Darth Maul, a Dark Lord of the Sith and took him to a new home on Coruscant.

Darth Maul was sad as a child but grew up to be a Dark Lord. Darth Revan was naturally talented ahrd work wasnt really a factor.

Debate Round No. 2


Revan, renowned as "The Revanchist" and dreaded as the Sith Lord Darth Revan, was an eminent Jedi Knight turned conquering Dark Lord of the Sith until, stripped of his true persona, he returned to the crumbling Jedi Order and helped defeat the Sith Empire he had established. A human male, and acknowledged as a very gifted and powerful Force-sensitive pupil, he was trained as a Padawan by Kreia and a number of other Jedi Masters, both on Coruscant and at the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine.
Being very charismatic and possessing notable leadership qualities, by 3,964 BBY he was a Jedi Knight respected enough to amass a notable following that argued for Jedi intervention in the Mandalorian Wars. Though opposed in this by the Jedi Council itself, Revan could not be dissuaded. Revealing the horror of the Mandalorians' genocide of the Cathar, Revan bolstered his support base and then quickly circumvented the Council, exploiting a technicality that forced it to begrudgingly "sanction" the intervention he desired. With the Council sidelined, the charismatic young Jedi and his closest friend, Malak, were able to recruit and lead a faction of the Jedi Order to war without fear of reprisal.

Recognized as a talented military tactician and strategist, and the Jedi Order's most powerful champion, Revan directed the Galactic Republic to victory after assuming command of its forces in 3,961 BBY, finally ending the conflict the following year with the defeat and execution of Mandalore the Ultimate, the destruction of Malachor V and the disarmament of the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders—acts which earned him a reputation among the Mandalorians as Revan the Butcher. In the wake of this triumph, Revan, his loyal Jedi followers, and the third of the Republic fleet that remained under his direct control ventured into the Unknown Regions—ostensibly in pursuance of Mandalorian stragglers—and ceased all communications with the known galaxy.

In those unknown regions of space, on Dromund Kaas, Revan and Malak came face to face with the long hidden Sith Empire and its Emperor. Thus, having already embraced the seductive Sith teachings he encountered at the Trayus Academy on Malachor V, Revan's induction into their traditions was finally completed. Bid by his newfound master to acquire the Star Forge—a superweapon of the Infinite Empire—on his behalf, Revan successfully tracked down the last Rakatan Star Maps required to reveal its location. Upon securing the ancient space station, however, he returned to the civilization he had left behind openly as Darth Revan, proclaiming himself to be the Dark Lord of the Sith. Commanding the continued obedience of many veterans of the Mandalorian Wars, and alongside the man who was now his Sith apprentice, Darth Malak, Revan betrayed the Jedi, turned against the Republic, and plunged the known galaxy into the Jedi Civil War.

Utilizing the Star Forge to spawn an immense armada, Revan cut a carefully calculated path of conquest through the Outer Rim, building his own powerful Sith Empire to which new converts regularly flocked. Though the Republic staved off total defeat for two years, thanks to the extraordinary battle meditation of the gifted Jedi Bastila Shan, Revan's ultimate triumph seemed inevitable until he and Malak were ensnared by a Jedi trap. As a Republic fleet engaged that of the two ruling Sith, a strike team led by Shan boarded Revan's flagship and battled its way to the Dark Lord. Moments before the Jedi engaged Revan in combat, however, Malak—sensing an opportunity to be rid of both the Jedi and the Master whose power he coveted—had his own vessel open fire on the distracted Sith Lord's bridge. Caught by surprise, Revan was incapacitated by Malak's attack and then captured by the strike team while his traitorous apprentice, believing his Master destroyed, seized control of his Empire.

His mind shattered, his memories scattered, and soon thought dead by the galaxy-at-large, Revan's life was preserved by none other than Shan, an act that forged a Force bond between them. Either unable or unwilling to restore their prisoner's true self, but requiring the knowledge buried within his mind, the Jedi Council used the Force to rebuild Revan with a new identity loyal to the Republic. Almost one year later, after Revan, still oblivious to his true past, rescued the captive Shan alongside Commander Carth Onasi and an eclectic band of allies on Taris, the Jedi Council on Dantooine opted to retrain him. Reawakening to his former skills and charged with unearthing the source of Malak's colossal fleet, Revan and his loyal comrades thwarted all obstacles and adversaries as he and Shan were guided by shared "visions"—in truth Revan's own memories—to the Star Maps on Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Manaan, and Korriban.

In the midst of this odyssey, the group was ensnared by Admiral Saul Karath, commander of the Sith fleet, and imprisoned aboard the Leviathan. Though Revan and his friends escaped, killing Karath along the way, Darth Malak confronted his former Master, revealed his true identity and ultimately recaptured Shan, the woman Revan had come to love. Continuing in the face of this loss, Revan and his allies successfully discovered the final Star Map and the location of the Star Forge. There, in the Rakata System, Revan rejected the darkness of his past, turned Shan—whom Malak had broken to his will—back to the light and vanquished the reigning Dark Lord, playing his part in the battle that brought the war he had instigated to a close. Two years onward, having driven the warring Sith factions from Korriban, and becoming a Jedi Master, Revan—with more memories returning—left the known galaxy behind on a solitary quest against the true Sith Empire. As of 3,641 BBY, he was thought to have never returned. Which in The Old Republic he did return.

Mual cannot compare to Revan because haha lets just say he live a lot longer for one, Now let me clear some stuff up,
it says that revan returned to the lightside which is the case. However despite that during his time of power as the dark lord he was un- beatable in a fight. Malak did even challenge him the first time. He was fired upon by a ship, Revan was a leader of the sith and unlike the emperor (from the movies) he could back it up. Mual was trained then soon after died by obi-wan as well as revan converted more jedi to the darkside than any sith hundreds left the order during th jedi civil war.


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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by kyro90 6 years ago
Lol I was just looking at the acceptable debates and came up to yours and I just came to say two things....
1. Nice idea for a debate!
2. LOVE the pic! Pheonix Wright impression?
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