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SirReal
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Kumquatodor
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Deadpool would defeat Batman in a fight.

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SirReal
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/5/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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SirReal

Pro

Rules

  • After analyzing other threads, I'm assuming the first round is acceptance. Round 2 is to open on the defending character's abilities. Round 3 is countering the opponent's points, and Round 4 is conclusion.

  • The fight is won through one character being incapacitated, knocked out, crippled, etc. Death is not a means of winning, as Deadpool cannot die, and it would be unfair to Batman,

  • Both combatants will have their regular equipment, meaning there is no time for preparation.

  • Both combatants will be in their regular mind-set and/or mentality.

  • 616 version of Deadpool and Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint Batman showings for Batman are to be debated.

  • This is NOT a debate of which character is better. This is a debate on who would defeat who in a fair, random fight.


Kumquatodor

Con

I accept! I'll prepare the anti-deadpool win-spray!
Debate Round No. 1
SirReal

Pro

STRENGTH
As far as I'm aware, Batman is a peak human in terms of strength and/or striking power. On paper that isn't impressive, but as teenager he was able to punch huge holes in trees, and as a man, injure even the most durable foes such as Killer Croc with nothing but his fists. His most impressive feat for lifting strength is benching over 1000lbs (Batman vol.1 #655) as far as I'm aware. Powerful yes, but I firmly believe that Deadpool is superior in this regard. Due to his healing factor, Deadpool's strength is enhanced, as well as many other factors. This allows Deadpool to nonchalantly karate chop a tree in half without even looking at it (Deadpool vol.1 #19), snap a Greek soldier's neck just by kicking it (Deadpool vol.1 #16), go toe-to-toe with the likes of Wolverine and Captain America, whom are both 2-tonners capable of casually throwing dumpsters with a single arm, and more. Keep in mind Steve Roger's super-soldier serum greatly enhances him, and Logan has his adamantium skeleton and healing factor to bout. Regardless of their arguably superior strength, Wade has consistently fought the two mentioned combatants to a standstill, and even defeated them on numerous occasions. It also doesn't help that Steve and Wolverine are both amazing hand-to-hand combatants, much like Batman himself is.

SKILL
Batman is noted by most sources to be a master of either 127 martial arts styles, all combat forms, or something similar along those lines. Most people immediately assess that just because Deadpool jokes around a lot, he isn't a competent martial artist, and is nothing special. Well that couldn't be more wrong. Ignoring bad writing and isolated incidents, Deadpool is in fact a top-tier hand-to-hand fighter. Most people will just brush off my argument, but I WILL argue that Wade is a better fighter. For one example, I will first state that I firmly believe Wolverine is a superior martial artist compared to Batman. Whoa now, let's not rage just yet! Before anyone concludes this as utter rubbish, hear me out. Logan due to his healing factor, has had an immensely extended life-span, starting around the late 1880's if I recall correctly. Due to this, he's undergone extensive training and gathered experience under the toughest and most formidable teachers far longer than Batman has. I know you're saying quality over quantity, but one of Wolverine's teachers was Ogun, someone who is ranked 7/7 by Marvel by multiple sources, including handbooks. Wolverine has also shown this by dropping Captain America, an already accomplished fighter, with ease in Avengers vs. X-Men (bad story arc by the way) despite having a taxed healing factor and worn down. Despite this, Deadpool has consistently fought in close-quarters combat with Wolverine, and even gotten the upper hand on multiple occasions. He did it in Deadpool vol.1 #27, Wolverine vol.1 #88, Wolverine Annual '99, Wolverine vol.1 #154, and briefly in Wolverine vol.1 #155. As you can see, almost all of these examples are from Wolverine's own solo series, so it isn't just a writer wanking Wade's abilities. Other than those examples, Deadpool has stalemated Iron Fist in combat twice, humiliated Taskmaster (who collects and mimics the fighting prowess of multiple top-tier Marvel combatants, such as Iron Fist, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Punisher, etc.), fought Daredevil and Silver Sable simultaneously, battled Captain America to a standstill, nearly killed Frank Castle, the Punisher, three times, and even managed to out-pace and out-smart Hulk (albeit he wasn't 100%) in Deadpool vol.1 #4. As far as I'm aware, Deadpool is at least Batman's equal in terms of martial arts skill, and even if he is inferior, it isn't by a significant margin.

DURABILITY
Bruce Wayne is one tough cookie, no doubt about that. From enduring punches from a Venom-enhanced Bane, to defeating William Cobb in the New 52 despite being tortured, beaten, battered, and hallucinating, he's got will-power and pain tolerance. But let's face it, it simply pales in comparison to what Deadpool has endured thanks to his healing factor. Ignoring his absolutely crazy showings of regenerating from a nuclear bomb in moments, he's also demonstrated the ability to be stabbed, shot, stunned, shocked, and more while retaining his consciousness and continuation of combat. Piercing damage, which I doubt Batman will use other than a few batarangs digging into Wade's arms, is futile when he's been stabbed right in the stomach (right after he was shot at by a rocket launcher mind you), and still kept fighting mercenaries after killing his attacker. Blunt force? Even more laughable. As stated above, Hulk, although not being 100%, punched Deadpool and Wade shrugged it off jokingly. You may think this is bad writing, but Deadpool has braved through similar instances before. From soaking up hits from She-Hulk, to being sent flying by Rhino twice, Batman's own peak human strength is simply not enough to knock out the Merc with a Mouth. Brain damage? I doubt it. Nomad has shot Deadpool point-blank with a shotgun before and it didn't even faze Wade (hey, that rhymes!). He's also been shot in the face with a revolver by a nun, and literally smiled. Add that to the countless explosions that Deadpool has walked off, and I seriously have a hard time seeing anything Batman is capable of dishing being too much for Wade to eat up.

EQUIPMENT

Batman may have his vast arsenal of gadgets, but Deadpool has his own shtick that is arguably a plot-device and seemingly pulls equipment from out of nowhere: his bottomless satchel. While Batman may have tons of small gadgets loaded onto his belt, Wade's weaponry is limitless. Due to his unique fourth-wall breaking ability, Wade has consistently shown the ability to pull out assorted weapons, such as rifles, shotguns, handguns, grenades, extra ammunition, and more with utmost convenience. Furthermore, Deadpool has stuff that, quite literally, aims to kill. Bruce's tech is largely non-lethal, and will prove to be ineffective against Deadpool and his healing factor. I mean, we're talking about a guy who swam in a gamma core built by Sasquatch in Deadpool vol.1 #1 and wasn't effected at all. His healing factor was diminished and he had to fight Hulk with a malfunctioning healing factor in the mentioned Deadpool vol.1 #4, but there was no immediate consequence. Sure, Bruce's suit is protected against bullets and the like, but it can only endure so many bullets from automatic rifles, explosives, and Wilson's razor sharp blades, which have cut clean through mechs before (Deadpool vol.1 #1). Deadpool should have the edge in equipment here, since all of his weaponry is specifically purposed toward killing a person, whereas Batman's equipment is non-lethal, has tons of gadgets that aren't applicable in a straight-up fight, and is limited.

MENTALITY
While I won't argue that Batman is superior in raw intellect, I will say that not all of his knowledge is practical in a random encounter, making it a questionable advantage. This is shown countless times when he loses to enemies like Deathstroke. They're simply better than him, and even with his superior intelligence, he just can't win the fight with such odds stacked against him. While Deadpool can goof off, people usually hold this against him, when it doesn't really hinder his abilities by a large margin. Deadpool has humiliated an enraged Bone Claw Wolverine while hallucinating and sprouting jokes every other second. I doubt Batman could replicate the same thing despite him being gloomy and serious all the time. With Logan's healing factor, he can brush off Batman's gadgets, soak up all of his attacks, and eventually take down Bruce. Deadpool isn't an idiot either. He has shown the ability to speak multiple languages with ease, out-smarted Hulk, Juggernaut, Black Tom, and improvised plans and tactics before. On top of this, Deadpool is utterly unpredictable, and will be an opponent that Batman will have a hard time analyzing. Couple that with limitless supplies and explosives, and it's a deadly combination. Deadpool is not traditionally intelligent, but he is cunning and has shown the ability to device traps countless times. He's blown up huge areas of land to win fights before, in contrast to Batman's concentrated efforts to minimize casualties.

SUMMARY
Deadpool has the skill needed to contend with Batman's own, and is arguably superior coupled with his superior durability, healing factor, and strength. Not only that, but he is going for the kill, whereas Batman is attempting to non-lethally neutralize Deadpool, which is not going to happen when lethal methods fail. Wade is also rocking a limitless, deadly arsenal, and can soak up anything Batman throws at the mercenary. If anything, Deadpool could simply outlast Bruce Wayne in a fight.
Kumquatodor

Con

Fighting Skill
Bruce Wayne is in the top fighter of DC. Training for years on end, he has perfected his own style and often changes his style around to be less predictable.

As Batman, he has beaten David Cain, Lady Shiva, and possibly Cassandra Cain. The latter three recognised as the top fghters. The common factor between them: they are all better fighters than anything Deadpool's faced.

They have all studied/mastered all major martial arts known to man (Batman even knowing Kryptonian and possibly Tamaranain martial arts). They regularly take on 20 guys at once, not getting hit.

Strength
Batman has regularly been seen benching 1000 lbs., but much more impressive is his striking power. As Bruce Wayne he kicks down trees and steel doors. As Batman, several versions have him regularly injecting lead into his gloves. He has been shown to hurt Killer-Croc and Bane.

Durability
Batman wears armor that has allowed him to survive much more than you or I could handle. The Batsuit is bullet resistant (bullet-proof, depending on the distance).


Deadpool's Healing
Batman has dealt with members of the Court of Owls, each having a healing factor. While they were not as good at healing as Deadpool, they still had the healing factor. Batman despatched several members before retreating back into the bat-cave and coming back with his Bat-tle Suit and anti-healing temperature.
Debate Round No. 2
SirReal

Pro

"Bruce Wayne is in the top fighter of DC. Training for years on end, he has perfected his own style and often changes his style around to be less predictable."

While that may be true, Batman is nowhere near as unpredictable as Deadpool in terms of not only martial arts combat, but also psychologically. Similarly like how Bruce is unable to predict Joker after years of extensive research, Taskmaster, who has the ability to replicate movements and techniques of various heroes like Daredevil, Spider-Man, and Captain America, has failed to defeat and properly assess Deadpool's movements to this day. Unlike Batman, Deadpool can literally dance and fight simultaneously.

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"As Batman, he has beaten David Cain, Lady Shiva, and possibly Cassandra Cain. The latter three recognised as the top fghters. The common factor between them: they are all better fighters than anything Deadpool's faced."

While the first sentence is true (for the most part), the second part isn't. David Cain does not have enough showings to suggest he is any better than the likes of Captain America, Daredevil, Iron Fist, or even Taskmaster. His best showings are beating up a pregnant Shiva, skirmishing for Deathstroke for a short period of time, and holding his own against Batman before losing. I'm pretty sure even Cassie as a young child was able to beat him. Lady Shiva is impressive but Batman has only beaten her off-panel as far as I'm aware, when he told Batgirl that "even he had beaten Shiva." There's one moment where Batman easily beats Lady Shiva in SUPERMAN/BATMAN, but Grodd was mind-controlling her, and it is shrugged off as bad writing. Hardly a reliable instance. As far as I'm aware, Batman has only been able to fight Shiva evenly, and only won because Robin interfered. The same goes for Cassandra Cain. Batman only beat her once as a child, and when she lost her body-reading. After giving Cassie a CD with 127 martial arts techniques, I believe she regained her body-reading abilities and had no problem utterly dismantling The Dark Knight with relative ease. Deadpool is perfectly capable of doing the same. Cain doesn't have enough backing to be that impressive, and Shiva's martial arts skill alone isn't enough to take down Deadpool anyways. Cassie is the only one here I see being able to defeat Deadpool, but even then her gadgets are non-lethal like Bruce's. That, and Joker's psychotic behavior and erratic body language allowed him to land a few hits on Batgirl, so I don't see why Deadpool, who is arguably as crazy, wouldn't be able to do the same with his katana. In fact, your "better fighters" statement is wrong. Captain America would beat Cain without too many problems, while guys like Daredevil, Iron Fist, and Taskmaster could at least hold their own against Shiva and Cassandra, especially considering Taskmaster's photographic memory, Matt's radar sense, and Danny's chi abilities. Deadpool has faced off against more impressive enemies.

"They have all studied/mastered all major martial arts known to man (Batman even knowing Kryptonian and possibly Tamaranain martial arts). They regularly take on 20 guys at once, not getting hit."

This is more flashy than efficient. Kryptonian and Tamaranain martial arts sounds good, but they haven't shown efficiency outside of some scarce pressure point showings. Nonetheless, Batman doesn't, at least consistently, incorporate those fighting styles in battles anyways. Deadpool on the other hand, has enhanced strength, doesn't experience fatigue due to his healing factor, and unpredictability on his side. Taking out twenty generic thugs is dandy, but Deadpool has fought an entire army by himself and was unscratched. Now it is important to note that Deadpool has an indestuctible face due to a curse on Loki, it doesn't effect the fight much. He still wrecks the entire army, and it's not like the guys can't shoot his chest or neck.

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"Batman has regularly been benching 1000lbs., but much more impressive is his striking power. As Bruce Wayne he kicks down trees and steel doors. As Batman, several versions have him regularly injecting lead into his gloves. He has been shown to hurt Killer-Croc and Bane."

Impressive indeed. However, it's not nearly enough to knock out Deadpool. On the low chance that Batman does inject lead into his gloves, in which he has not displayed to do consistently against tough and durable opponents Pre or Post-Flashpoint, hurting Killer Croc and Bane still isn't good enough. In fact, Bane has been able to fight Croc before, and Croc is notorious for being an absolute joke in comic books. The guy never wins against anyone. Bane on the other hand, even on Venom, is not in the league of Deadpool's durability. We're talking about someone who has healed from a nuclear bomb. Rhino is far more physically capable and durable than both Bane and Croc, and his toughest punches do send Wade flying, but no damage is inflicted on the Merc with a Mouth. Is Batman's strength, even with the lead-injected gloves, on the level of Rhino, who is confirmed by multiple sources to possess 70-100 ton strength? No.

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"Batman wears armor that has allowed him to survive much more than you or I could handle. The Batsuit is bullet resistant (bullet-proof, depending on the distance)."

Deadpool's healing factor allows him to survive much more than Batman by a wide, wide margin. Bruce is tough, but he's only human. Bullet-proof armor is a noble effort, but against constant bombardment of grenades, mech-cutting katanas, and the other countless lethal equipment, it isn't going to hold up for long. There's a reason why Batman bothers to dodge bullets in the first place. Also, Batman has a gaping, exposed spot in his mouth/chin area. I vaguely remember Batman having an clear shield he can bring up in that area so that he doesn't get shot, and he used it once against some thugs, but again, it isn't consistent and is a one-hit wonder gadget. Regardless, it isn't standing up to Wade's katanas.

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"Batman has dealt with members of the Court of Owls, each having a healing factor. While they were not as good at healing as Deadpool, they still had the healing factor. Batman despatched several members before retreating back into the bat-cave and coming back with his Bat-tle Suit and anti-healing temperature."

There is more than meets the eye. You are right, the Talons' healing factors were nowhere near as powerful as Deadpool's. However, they were also not very skilled save for a few notable ones, and were beaten up by Bruce in nothing but his robes. That may be just good skill on Batman's part, but considering Cobb was able to put up a fight, it speaks that the no-name Talons weren't of high quality. Another thing is that Batman had already analyzed the Talons extensively and kenw their weakness to the cold after he captured William Cobb, and found out that he was Nightwing's grandfather (or something along those lines). The point is, Batman knew who and what he was dealing with, and had the benefit of being in his own domain, the Wayne Manor. He doesn't have any of those benefits here, and Deadpool is significantly more skilled and durable than even the best of the Talons. Batman will underestimate his opponent and will not live to tell the tale.



Kumquatodor

Con

Wow... Conceded...

Insert funny meme here!
Debate Round No. 3
SirReal

Pro

Glad I could convince you sir!
Kumquatodor

Con

Kumquatodor forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by NarutoUzamaki 3 years ago
NarutoUzamaki
I wanna debate
Posted by mackis2193 3 years ago
mackis2193
What I mean is that I would like to debate that Batman would defeat Deadpool in a fight. Especially with SirReal's reasoning.
Posted by mackis2193 3 years ago
mackis2193
I would be willing to debate this matchup.
Posted by spiderman12345 3 years ago
spiderman12345
I know I am not invincible but look I can beat the bat guy and deadpool
Posted by Kumquatodor 3 years ago
Kumquatodor
@SirReal

It also kind of depends on which version of Spider-Sense he uses now.

Over the years, it has varied from "There's danger" to "There is a 2 lb. baseball flying at 47 MPH towards a 75 lb child, 2 feet away"

Regardless, stealth is out of the question.

I haven't read Spider-Man, so I am pretty ignorant outside of comicvine discussions.
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I have found a way that Batman could win with prep!

Step 0: Say "I'm Batman".
Step 1: Use Boom-tube to get to Apokalypse.
Step 2: Make Darkseid Blast you into another dimension.
Step 3: Contact Terry Maginnes (however you spell it)
Step 4: Get back home with him.
Step 5: Have Oracle hack into Stark security.
Step 6: Send Terry to steal an arc reactor.
Step 7: Use arc reactor to power Insider Armor.

Problem, logic?
Posted by SirReal 3 years ago
SirReal
spiderman12345 - To be fair Spider-Man ain't invincible either. He can be beaten.

Kumquatodor - I don't believe so. Even with prep, unless Batman has extensive information on Peter, he most likely wouldn't be able to beat Spidey because of his Spider-Sense. It also depends on how long Bruce is allowed to prepare. Sonic weaponry would work on Spider-Man as far as I'm aware, but he's durable enough so that it wouldn't instantly take him out of the game.
Posted by spiderman12345 3 years ago
spiderman12345
Dont you dare say I am weak and spiderman is going to win. Batman is not invincible he is human
Posted by Kumquatodor 3 years ago
Kumquatodor
@SirReal

Is Peter still weak to that one piece of pesticide/poison? If so, then Batman could win with prep.

Also: would sonic waves work on Spidey?
Posted by SirReal 3 years ago
SirReal
spiderman12345 - Spidey would most likely be capable of beating both simultaneously, but it would be a challenge.
Posted by spiderman12345 3 years ago
spiderman12345
I could beat both. But the batman guy will lose to dead pool
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had Deadpool covered every which way, and his vast knowledge of the people Con brought up made for easy refutations.