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kenicks
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meganlg43
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Death Penalty

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/21/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kenicks

Pro

I am in favor of the death penalty. I believe that it is a proper form of law, effective punishment, and an appropriate way to serve justice.

While I am in favor of the death penalty, I believe that it should also only be brought down on the convicted person under certain circumstances; severe ones, at that.

Such as murder.

The death penalty brings up an interesting axiom in life: An eye for and eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

In this particular case, I'll take an eye...and maybe a tooth as well.

I await your first rebuttal.
meganlg43

Con

meganlg43 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 1
kenicks

Pro

My opponent has forfeited her opening argument. I don't know if her method of argument is strictly apathy, she lost interest in the debate itself, or if she encountered a difficulty in reaching a computer to input her opening argument.

Nevertheless, she has forfeited, thus giving me the edge in the debate.

I cannot add much to an argument if there is nothing to contradict or prove being thrown at me, so I will repeat the reasoning I gave in my opening argument; I believe the death penalty is an appropriate form of justice in dire situations, such as murder, based on the axiom that it is just to give an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

I await my opponent's rebuttal-if any.
meganlg43

Con

Sorry, I had been out of town and didn't really have access to a computer with interent.

Anyway, i'd like to say that i am against the death penalty mainly because of it's contradictory-- The saying that best relates is "why do we kill people, who kill people, to show people, that killing people is wrong." death penalty does no good, and calls for no remorse. The person simply waits to die. Personally if i had a loved one die i'd rather have them suffer the way they made said person and those affected by their death suffer.

Not only that..but with the death penalty you've put a price on HUMAN LIFE.
This shouldn't happen. You cant put a price on human life. I mean this as in all the innocent people who are wrongly accused and prosecuted. Pro may say that with the death penalty we save money, but with other options such as: life in prison..we save innocent LIVES.

My third argument is that it's not a fair punishment..obviously you have to be a pretty twisted person to kill another, and most know the consequences that could come of it, so if they don't care and do it anyway..or just don't mind death...what's the point of the death penalty. I think life in jail is a better punishment because it actually would give the criminal what they need: remorse and regret and an actuall punishment for what they did.
Debate Round No. 2
kenicks

Pro

kenicks forfeited this round.
meganlg43

Con

well this is kind of a sad debate...there was only one real rebuttal. So i guess all i'm going to do is clarify my arguments.

My first argument, being that the death penalty is contradictiory:
"Why do we kill people, who kill people, to show people, that killing people, is wrong?"
Death penalty is contradictory, we dont want you to kill--but wait, we can, as long as you do it first...
Also, as i said before, if i had a loved one murdered, i would rather have the killer face a real punishment instead of getting off easy.

My Second Argument was that the death penalty puts a price on Human Life.
A huge reason for the death penalty being favored over life in prison, is that life in prison costs more. But what if the person is innocent? You've killed them anyway just to save a couple bucks--okay it may be more than a COUPLE bucks, but it's still only money.

And finally, to clarify my last argument. It's not a fair punishment. It takes some insanity to be able to bring yourself to kill another person with out remorse. So my guess is that person would mind death themselves--and also, you never know if thats the case, so why give them what they want when its supposed to be a punishment. Life in prison gives a person what they really need: time. Time to think, regret what they did, and what they should have had all along- true guilt and remorse. Which is what a punishment is supposed to do, make a person regret what they did wrong.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
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"i agree with meganlg when she says that you guys are only voting on what your personal opinon is."

Fortunately she didn't say that, because it wouldn't be true. I for one have abstained on this debate :D.
Posted by whynot 8 years ago
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i agree with meganlg when she says that you guys are only voting on what your personal opinon is. kenicks didn't go against anything meganlg said because he forfeited the rounds. Meganlg gets my vote :)
Posted by meganlg43 8 years ago
meganlg43
thanks for your comments..and yeah alot of them make sense, and what i meant by the price thing is that a main reason people are for death penalty is because its less expensive then keeping someone in jail, but if it has the chance of taking innocent lives i dont see why its worth it.
Also, when you vote in this debate- you should vote ON the debate..not your personal opinion.
The Pro, had not come back against anything i had said, so i don't see how they could have won.
I wish there would have been a longer foreit time because i believe that (s)he could have.
but he/she simply didn't.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
All of the debate (what there is of it) seems to be based on what's "fair" for the criminal here... which is wierd.

The usefulness of the death penalty is that it puts a criminal out of business effectively and permanently. Of course their life is less valuable than the victims and thus not any kind of "price."

In essence all murderers qua murderer seek death, i.e. they want it. It's not a "punishment," it gives them what they want, death, the only death they ever had a right to- but it also gives everyone else as much of what they want as they can get, which is the lack of their own death regardless of the possibility of prison escapes.

"As for the contradictory thing, that's patently absurd, because we aren't telling you we don't want you to kill- we're saying we don't want you to initiate force against others by killing. It would not be a legal problem for a just government, for example, if someone killed themselves, or someone who asked to be killed. Retaliatory killings and requested killings are not the same thing as initiatory killings.
Posted by Hypnodoc 8 years ago
Hypnodoc
Fiscally the Death Penalty makes sense it is less expensive to kill a person then to keep them alive within the confines of the prison system.

It costs over 20,000 dollars a year to keep someone in prison. A life sentence at 30 means that person on average costs taxpayers 1,000,000 dollars.

I believe that we need more crimes that are eligible for the death penalty.

Murder
Rape
Child Molestation

In these instances the victims has had their life taken they will never be the same.
Posted by kenicks 8 years ago
kenicks
Whoops...just my luck to put off my rebuttal one hour too late.
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