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mattyalby
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Kathmandoom
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Death penalty and its legalisation.

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Started: 12/7/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mattyalby

Con

The death penalty is the ultimate denial of human rights. It is the premeditated and cold-blooded killing of a human being by the state in the name of justice. It violates the right to life. It is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment. There can never be any justification for torture or for cruel treatment. Death penalty should not be legalized as it is a sentence that doesn't give a chance for the person to change his or her ways. It is a dead end that does nothing but instill fear in the minds of the citizens. If death penalty is legalized then what is the difference between countries like North Korea and the rest of the world. If the goal of any punishment, is to teach us those things we should not do, then the justice system should more adequately teach the criminality of killing by refusing to partake in it. We cannot rehabilitate a person by killing him or her. What is justice if the punishment for murder is murder?
Kathmandoom

Pro

The death penalty should be legalized in the case of first degree murder. If a human being in sane mind kills another with premeditation, then they are a threat to society and are beyond reasonable rehabilitation. If a murderer is sent to wait in prison for twenty years, there is little to guarantee that they will not kill again. The recidivism rate of 60% in the U.S. shows that prison is an ineffective method of turning inmates away from crime.
"There can never be any justification for torture or for cruel treatment."
The death penalty is not necessarily torture nor cruel treatment. A swift end to a person's life could be considered more merciful than a lifetime of prison.
"It is a dead end that does nothing but instill fear in the mind of the citizens."
Fear of the death penalty is what makes it effective in preventing crime.
"If the death penalty is legalized then what is the difference between countries like North Korea and the rest of the world."
Many, many things, such as how the rest of the modern world (for the most part) provides adequate food and resources for its citizens, allows them to leave their home country, and only executes criminals who are deserving of the death penalty for crimes much worse than expressing freedom of speech or press.
"If the goal of any punishment, is to teach us those things we should not do, then the justice system should more adequately teach the criminality of killing by refusing to partake in it."
Justice does teach us what not to do, but it also teaches that some things are justified. If the justice system cannot enact what it attempts to prevent, then prison is unjustified because it is also illegal for me to kidnap someone and keep them in my home.
"What is justice if the punishment for murder is murder?"
The punishment for murder is not murder, in the same way that self-defense is not murder. By enacting the death penalty upon murderers, we prevent what will likely be more murder in the future.
Debate Round No. 1
mattyalby

Con

Looking at the list of states in the U.S.A that do not have the death penalty it is observed that the states that have not legalized death penalty are those which have a higher peace and prosperity rating and lower crime levels every year compared to those states which have justified death penalty as a fitting form of punishments

"The death penalty is not necessarily torture nor cruel treatment."
The U.S execution database has shown the most prominent methods of so called 'extermination' as the Gas Chamber, Lethal Injection, Electrocution, etc. of which none are looking like swift and peaceful deaths.
"Fear of the death penalty is what makes it effective in preventing crime."
Texas has had the death penalty as a punishment since 1976, but has still had a steady number of death penalties per year, which shouldn't happen according to the statement above. while Connecticut which abolished death penalty in 2005 has witnessed a considerable decrease in the crime rate. the same can be said of New Mexico.
"If a human being in sane mind kills another with premeditation, then they are a threat to society and are beyond reasonable rehabilitation."
Most people who have committed criminal activities and have received death penalty for it are those who have troubled past, mental problems, etc.
" Only executes criminals who are deserving of the death "
The Judicial system is unreliable in almost every country in which the criminal has an equal chance of winning if they have a good lawyer, so in many cases the wrong person is sentenced. In the U.S death penalty database Texas which has an average of 521 death sentences per year, the number of people who are found to be innocent after the execution takes place are 81, which is a pretty high number for innocent people being killed."
Kathmandoom

Pro

"The U.S execution database has shown the most prominent methods of so called 'extermination' as the Gas Chamber, Lethal Injection, Electrocution, etc. of which none are looking like swift and peaceful deaths."
The vast majority of death sentences today are carried out via lethal injection, which is the primary execution method of every state that has the death penalty. With the exception of cases where serious mistakes are made in the administration of the drugs, lethal injections are quick and accompanied by an anaesthetic immediately rendering the person receiving the injection unconscious, preventing them from feeling much pain.
"Texas has had the death penalty as a punishment since 1976, but has still had a steady number of death penalties per year, which shouldn't happen according to the statement above. while Connecticut which abolished death penalty in 2005 has witnessed a considerable decrease in the crime rate. the same can be said of New Mexico."
The fact that many prisoners on death row are not executed until many years after their sentencing makes executions per year an unreliable statistic for assessing crime. Additionally, the number of executions in Texas per year has in fact fallen, to less than half of what it was in the year 2000.
https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us...
Connecticut executed its last person in 2005, but the death penalty there was not banned until 2012. In New Mexico, it was not banned until 2009. The crime rate for both of these states had already decreased to near their current levels before the death penalty was revoked.
http://www.disastercenter.com...
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"Most people who have committed criminal activities and have received death penalty for it are those who have troubled past, mental problems, etc."
People with legitimate mental problems are not liable to the death penalty on grounds of legal insanity.
"The Judicial system is unreliable in almost every country in which the criminal has an equal chance of winning if they have a good lawyer, so in many cases the wrong person is sentenced. In the U.S death penalty database Texas which has an average of 521 death sentences per year, the number of people who are found to be innocent after the execution takes place are 81, which is a pretty high number for innocent people being killed."
Texas does not carry out anywhere near this number of death sentences per year. In 2014, only 11 were sentenced to death, and only 10 prisoners on death row were executed.
https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us...
There have been cases of potential and supposed wrongful execution, but these number closer to 10 than 81. There have been a greater number of prisoners found to be innocent while on death row, but this is exactly why the death sentence is not carried out immediately.
Debate Round No. 2
mattyalby

Con

mattyalby forfeited this round.
Kathmandoom

Pro

I rest my case.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by raskuseal 1 year ago
raskuseal
I think the death penalty should be used more often, actually. The people who are a severe threat to society should be executed in the name of justice because they are too dangerous a threat to let live. I completely support Kathmandoom on this.
Posted by mattyalby 1 year ago
mattyalby
Would like it if a good debater will contend in this debate.
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