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BellumQuodPacis
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Ragnar_Rahl
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Debate Challenge: The US should mandate yearly driving tests for seniors above the age of 65.

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Ragnar_Rahl
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/15/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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BellumQuodPacis

Pro

This debate is a debate challenge meaning a list of rules must be followed in order for there to be a legitimate win.

You must debate the topic, The US should mandate yearly driving tests for seniors above the age of 65, with abiding by the following:

1) No vowels may be used in your arguements.
2) No using the word and.
3) Arguments must be less than 1,000 characters.
4) No debating will start until round 2.

Voting:
S&G: Abidement of rules.
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

Hll. Sp. Spps n dbtng tll nxt rnd.
Debate Round No. 1
BellumQuodPacis

Pro

Note: The letter "Y" does NOT count as a vowel, therefore is usable by both parties.
Rule 6: Y is allowed.
Rule 7: The opponents FULL arguments made, must be submitted in the comments section so the opponent knows what to refute.
Rule 8: Source listing will NOT be penalized if vowels are used.

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Cntntn 1: ldr drvrs r mr dngrs

T hs bn prvn tht ldr drvrs cs mr ccdnts b ldng nvrsts. (1)

Cntntn 2: Mr ncdnts nvlvng ldr ctzns thn yng drvrs

ccrdng t rprts cndctd by th ntd Stts DT, thr r mr ccdnts csd by ppl vr 65 thn ny thr dmgrphc. (2)

s w cn s, ldr ppl r mr f thrt n th rd thn ny thr grp, thrfr th US shld mndt yrly drvng tsts.
Srcs:
(1)-www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=62181
(2)-www.usatoday.com/.../2007-05-02-older-drivers-usat1a_N.htm

Thnk y.
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

M ppnnt cnnt dd frthr rls. N cndtns wr prvdd n rnd 1 mkng n rls xcpt ths n rnd 1 rlvnt. n th tttmpt t prvd frthr rls, m ppnnt vltd svrl rls. ncdntll, th chrctr whch m ppnnt rfrncd s "nt vwl" s n fct smtms vwl. Wll nl s whn ts nt vwl

f y cnnt rd m rgmnts, sck t.

Nw n tpc. sm ld pplz dnt vn wnt t drv. Wht f thy r blnd? Wh rqr thm t hv drvng tsts? Thts wst f thr tm. Thy rnt vn gng t drv nwy s t wld b stpd t mk t mndtry t hv drvng tsts. Mb f th rsltn wr t rqr mrl tht ld pplz wh d nt sbmt t drvng tsts ls lcns, tht wld b k, bt tht s nt th rsltn, mndtr mns y cnt gt t jst b nt drvng.
Debate Round No. 2
BellumQuodPacis

Pro

Mr. Rahl is absolutely correct. I could not add further rules to the debate because i did not mention them at first.

Congratulations, I concede.
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

Wll, ths s wkwrd.
Debate Round No. 3
BellumQuodPacis

Pro

H. Dnt fl wkwrd
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

T snt wkwrd t hv frft ftr 2 rnds f 5 rnd dbt?
Debate Round No. 4
BellumQuodPacis

Pro

Rgnr.....y r wsm
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

????

Wr s th prft?
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
Plus one. Good job, Ragnar.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
*voters*
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
The jist of my R2 is that I don't care about the rules you specified in your round 2, because nothing in the challenge specified that any new rules could be made relevant(merely "a list," i.e. the list in round 1), and also that nothing segregated such rulemaking from the rest of your arguments, meaning that merely by writing your argument you've violated rules and thus have already lost, and that "y" is in fact sometimes a vowel, and I am only using it when it is not a vowel.

as for the rest, though I assume no burden to post anything else to make it easier for my opponent, I choose to inform voter that my case against the resolution consisted largely of the fact that seniors who do not wish to drive are having their time wasted by driving tests, and "mandatory" for the class senior implies that merely not wishing to drive and not pursuing a license will not permit one to avoid the test.
Posted by BellumQuodPacis 8 years ago
BellumQuodPacis
Then how else do you suppose he know what to write about nags?
Posted by Xer 8 years ago
Xer
"Rule 7: The opponents FULL arguments made, must be submitted in the comments section so the opponent knows what to refute."

That defeats the purpose. RR doesn't even have to respond to your R2.
Posted by BellumQuodPacis 8 years ago
BellumQuodPacis
Okay here was my round 2 argument:

Note: The letter "Y" does NOT count as a vowel, therefore is usable by both parties.
Rule 6: Y is allowed.
Rule 7: The opponents FULL arguments made, must be submitted in the comments section so the opponent knows what to refute.
Rule 8: Source listing will NOT be penalized if vowels are used.

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First, I would like to thank my opponent, Ragnar Rahl, for accepting this debate as it is very hard to follow.

Contention 1: Older drivers are more dangerous

It has been proven that older drivers cause more accidents by leading Universities. (1)

Contention 2: More incidents involving older citizens than younger drivers

According to reports conducted by the United States DoT, there are more accidents caused by people over 65 than any other demographic. (2)

As we can see, older people are more of a threat on the road than any other group, therefore the US should mandate yearly driving tests.
Sources:
(1)-www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=62181
(2)-www.usatoday.com/.../2007-05-02-older-drivers-usat1a_N.htm

Thank you.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
If you were betting someone would gloss over your rules at first, you guessed right.
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