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Democracy is a magic even with such large diversity with such large population

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Started: 8/27/2014 Category: Politics
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Hi every one i believe that democracy in INDIA is magic ,it looks like this fellow is mad ,but its true in my point of view.Because we have seen countries with no diversity are getting bifurcated ,but INDIA being a country with different religions and different languages ,still there is unity in diversity ,they want to form a separate state but never a country ,there is a exception with one place Kashmir .When we see the survey regarding

Its really amazing result around 60% say INDIA...which is magic with which is still maintaining democracy in INDIA ........


RESOLVED: Democracy is a magic even with such large diversity with such large population

Propositions on Definition

1. Magic shall be defined as the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

Axiom One. Affrimation that Magic cannot be man-made, nor man influence, for whatever is man influenced is normal; henceforth, whatever system that men concern, that men look after and has established, cannot be considered magic.

1.2 Democracy shall be defined as a system of government where the people has authority to elect executive government functions; democracy is often created by man, and no "God" or "Deity" has created democracy; for even if God created democracy, then all men would have to live under it, taking assent upon the proposition that God exists, which is debatable.

Axiom Two. The state of men in the state of nature, not influenced by anyone is "the state of nature" or no government, as if men did not come to assent to the social contract, then the state would have never been created.

Corollary. But magic assumes that the government was not made; magic assents that (according to proposition one) the government was already emplaced.

Propositions on 2ARC on the Human Element in the Creation of Democracy

2. Humans are the real creators of democracy; but magic assumes something different. Magic assumes two false assumptions; (1) that "democracy" was originally created before humans came into existence. That is, democracy was already a working phenmenom before human existence, and (2) that democracy, even if it was created after human existence, simply "came" into existence. This is present due to axiom one and the first definition of magic.

2.1 But it would be neccesary to prove that democracy is man made, and man sustained, for magic assents that democracy is not man-sustained, and can sustain itself, even without men; magic also assents that any man from outside society, when he takes the faithful leap into a democratic society, may know how to act.

2.11 In proving this, we have to come out with case studies; from the (b) best known democracy, to the (a) oldest known, we shall analyze the fact that democracy is man-made. Firstly, (a) the oldest known democracy shall be cited first; the democracy of Athens. Athenian democracy was created by the exemplified slavery of the "masses" by the aristocratic classes. Note here that Athens was a democracy only because the system was run by humans; henceforth, assent made by the "magic" prophesy is incorrect; democracy cannot be sustained, and wouldn't even be needed if humans did not exist. Pre-Democratic Athens was ruled by "archons" In 621BC, legislator Draco passed several harsh laws which put the aristocracy over everyone else; henceforth creating a dualist state. This dualist state was civil in one, and harsh and uncivil in another; the citizens of Athens then appealed to the archon, Solon, who was part of the civil part of the dualist state, to restore order. He destroyed Draco's law, and implemented democracy in Athens.

Corollary: We can see here that the Athenian state was created not by magic, but by men.

2.12 With this said, we must now go on to prove that the (b) best-known democracy, these United States of America, was created via the people, or even in this, more so the people than in the case of Athens. Firstly, the United States of America and it's citizens, much like Athens and its citizens, was under the rule of King George III; the citizens of the New Land has up till then practiced a form of pseudo-independence until 1776, when a series of fateful decisions on King George's behalf, and the massacre at Bunker Hill, led to the Declaration of Independence. This was followed by a long 7-Years War, which ended only in the defeat of the British authorities and a new dualist republic.

2.2 It is via humans, if not the people, that democracy is created and implemented. There is no magic element in this; or if there is any, it is up to the opposition to prove so.

∴ Democracy is not created by magic, but by men

Propositions on 3ARC on the Case of Democracy in India

3. Opposition talks about how India is a democracy, with such diverse ethnic groups and diverse cultures. Opp. then states that this is magic.

3.1 But was Nehru a gift from God; even if Nehru, the founder of Indian democracy, was a gift from God, he canot explicitly be considered magic; for Nehru, the founder of the democratic institutions of India, was not to be considered magic, but to be considered a man with guts and wits.

3.2 Analyzing the creation of Indian Democracy is hard. Going back to the 1940s, one must see that India was highly divided; in religious terms, the population was very diverse. Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Islam and many more religions were created in the Golden Age in India. Nehru was not a foolish man; he saw these new religions as forces against his democratic principles. After the Great Partition, in which the two-nation theory was effectively exercised in a huge dramatic migration, it was clear that India would be unable to function without a state which is secular.

3.3 A secular state is not an atheist state; it is very much a irreligious state. Albeit this is changing due to the fact that Mohdi was elected (Mohdi was a Hindu Nationalist), it was definitely a reality back then. Nehru wanted to create a new India, where all "Indians" (or at least, non-Pakistanis), would be treated easily. However, his dream was not official until 1976, when the Constitution affirmed that the Indian state is a secular state.

Corollary. By the fact that India is a secular state, it proves that no magic was used, because magic is often related with a religion; or so one says. Secular magic is a hard virtue to find, and it is definitely not magic when a human influences it directly.

3.4 In syllogistical formations:

P1. All Magic cannot be secular
P2. Indian Democracy was secular
Ergo. Indian Democracy cannot be magic


EAO-1, Logically Valid

All x is not a
All p is x
Henceforth, p cannot be a.

∴ Indian Democracy cannot be magic

Propositions on 4ARC on "State of Nature"

4. Since we are now talking about magic in politics, we must understand the original condition of man. For if the original condition of man was democracy, then men would not need to have revolutions, often violent, to create a democracy; but the resolution assumes that the original condition of man is democracy due to magic.

4.1 The state of nature shall be described briefly in Hobbesian terms; but what it is, we must cite Locke. Accordingly to him, the state of nature is:

“TO understand political power right, and derive it from its original, we must consider, what state all men are naturally in, and that is, a state of perfect freedom to order their actions, and dispose of their possessions and persons, as they think fit, within the bounds of the law of nature, without asking leave, or depending upon the will of any other man.” (Second Treatise, Chap. II Sect 4)

4.2 What happens in a state of nature? Hobbes theorized that humans in the state of nature lived in a condition which had no authority; no overall monopoly of authority. Henceforth, this state of nature can be described as chaotic, pessimistic, and filled with war, as the original condition of men "was in a state of war"

4.3 This is contrary to the resolution, which assumes that man's state of nature is democracy; for if it was, then early societies would have developed into great democracies. Then the tribes of the Amazon would have developed into a democracy, as they live in primitive conditions. Assumptively, if the natural state of men were that of a democracy, then one has to take into account that "rulers of each country" are in the state of nature, yet it was after two crises which led them to organize into a state, or in at least some form of moral internationally recognized authority.

∴ The original state of man cannot be democracy
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