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Did God changed Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday

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Started: 1/21/2017 Category: Religion
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reddogs

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Since the Bible from Genesis to Revelation recognizes only the Saturday Sabbath as the weekly day of rest, then how did the practice of Sunday worship come about? What is its origin? Some Christians feel that Sunday should be observed to commemorate the resurrection, but where in the Bible did Jesus or the apostles make such a statement? Who sanctioned the replacement of the Sabbath with Sunday or claims to have done so? If it was God, then why isn't it in the Bible, and if was not God then there is a problem. Christ says:

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

So does the Bible allow for Gods Law to be changed by men or their "tradition", I don't think so. We find Christ saying:

Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sunday-keeping was a Roman Catholic invention from paganism that achieved universality because of the authority of the Roman church. Anti-Jewish sentiments were strong in Rome, and Gentiles became prominent in the church there. Because of the friction that arose to separate Christians from the Jews and their Sabbath, Gentile Christians adopted the venerable day of the Sun from pagan sun worship as a substitute. Although the church in Rome influence some areas of the empire, it was not able to change long-standing Sabbath worship in all parts, especially in the East where those beliefs were based on the true apostolic practice

The Roman Catholic created their own day of worship, from Pagan Festivals and the Pagan Religion before Christianity, and tried to cover it with reference to "tradtions", but it was pagan traditions that it was referring to.

"The Church made a sacred day of Sunday � largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and to give them a Christian significance.R03;"
Source: Arthur Weigall, The Paganism in Our Christianity, p. 145. Copyright 1928 by G. p. Putnam�s Sons, New York.

"The church took the pagan philosophy and made it the buckler of faith against the heathen. She took the pagan, Roman Pantheon, temple of all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. She took the pagan Easter and made it the feast we celebrate during this season.R03;

Sunday and Easter day are, if we consider their derivation, much the same. In truth, all Sundays are Sundays only because they are a weekly, partial recurrence of Easter day. The pagan Sunday was, in a manner, an unconscious preparation for Easter day. The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom. Balder the beautiful, the White God, the old Scandinavians called him. The sun has worshippers at this hour in Persia and other lands. "Some of you," says Carlyle, "may remember that fancy of Plato's. A man is kept in some dark, underground cave from childhood till maturity; then suddenly is carried to the upper airs. For the first time he sees the sun shining in its splendor overhead. He must fall down, says Plato, and adore it." There is, in truth, something royal, kingly about the sun, making it a fit emblem of Jesus, the Sun of Justice. Hence the church in these countries would seem to have said, "Keep that old pagan name. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified." And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus. The sun is a fitting emblem of Jesus. The Fathers often compared Jesus to the sun; as they compared Mary to the moon, the beautiful moon, the beautiful Mary, shedding her mild, beneficent light on the darkness and the night of this world - not light of her own; no Catholic says this; but - light reflected from the sun, Jesus.R03;"
Source: PASCHALE GAUDIUM, by Willliam L. Gildea, D.D., in The Catholic World, Vol. LVIII., No. 348., March, 1894., published in New York by The Office of the Catholic World., pages 808-809.

"All things whatsoever that were prescribed for the [Bible] Sabbath, we have transferred them to the Lord's day, as being more authoritative and more highly regarded and first in rank, and more honorable than the Jewish Sabbath."--Bishop Eusebius, quoted in J.P. Migne, "Patrologie," p. 23, 1169-1172. [Eusebius of Caesarea was a high-ranking Catholic leader during Constantine's lifetime.]

"These Gentile Christians of Rome and Alexandria began calling the first day of the week 'the Lord's day.' This was not difficult for the pagans of the Roman Empire who were steeped in sun worship to accept, because they [the pagans] referred to their sun-god as their 'Lord.' "--EM. Chalmers, "How Sunday Came Into the Christian Church," p. 3.

"What began, however, as a pagan ordinance, ended as a Christian regulation; and a long series of imperial decrees, during the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries, enjoined with increasing stringency abstinence from labor on Sunday."--Huttan Webster, "Rest Days," pp. 122-123, 210.

In both Old and New Testament there is not a shadow of variation in the doctrine of the Sabbath. The seventh day, Saturday, is the only day ever designated by the term Sabbath in the entire Bible. So Jesus or the Apostles did not change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday the first day of the week?
daley

Pro

The weekly sabbath was abolished:
Col. 2:14 tells us that @Christ blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.@ (KJV) Read the statement in its context. In three different ways Paul asserts that something called the 'handwriting of ordinances ' was abolished: (1) Christ blotted it out. (2) He took it out of the way. (3) He nailed it to the cross. So, it is dead. The cross that killed Jesus also killed the handwriting or ordinances. It is no longer in force.
"Verse 16 identifies the handwriting of ordinances: 'Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect to an holyday, or of the new moon, or of Sabbath (days).' The reference is to ordinances of the law of Moses. The point of this statement is that since the handwriting of ordinances has been abolished, its contents are not to be made a basis of judgment. The observance of these ordinances is no ground for approval; the non-observance is no ground for condemnation.

Paul told the Corinthians to 'judge them that are within' and to withdraw from a certain sinner (1 Cor. 5:12). But the basis of judgment is the teaching of the apostles (2 Thess. 3:6)--not that handwriting of ordinances which was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14, 16).

Sabbath keepers disregard Paul's plain statement by making the Sabbath a basis of judgment, approving those who keep it and condemning as sinners those who do not keep it. But they claim that Col. 2:16 refers to certain annual Sabbath of the Jews rather than the weekly Sabbath....

"The Greek word for sabbath in Col 2:16 (Sabbaton) is translated "Sabbath" in 60 verses of the New Testament. In the first 59 there is no debate that the reference is to the weekly Sabbath. But Adventists insist that the last one, Col. 2:16, cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath. One can understand why. Col. 2:16 is one of those references that says the Sabbath is not binding. So Sabbatarians must either give up their error concerning Sabbath keeping or get rid of this verse. Their regard for their error causes them to do the latter. So they assert that Col. 2:16 does not refer to the weekly Sabbath, even though they are going contrary to the uniform usage of the word Sabbath in the New Testament.

But the evasion fails. 'Sabbath' cannot refer to the annual Sabbath for the simple reasons that the annual Sabbath are included under another heading in this verse, the term 'holyday.' The Greek noun heortes means a feast, feast-day, or festival, and is translated 'feast day' in the American Standard Version. It refers to annual holydays.

Certain annual holy days were referred to as Sabbath in the Old Testament (cf. Lev. 16:31). But they were also called feasts. The statement in Lev. 23:4, 'These (are) the feasts of the Lord,...,' is followed by references to the passover, Pentecost, feast of trumpets, the day of atonement, and the feast of tabernacles. Then in vv. 37, 38 these feasts are distinguished from the weekly Sabbath: 'These (are) the feasts of the Lord,...' Thus the annual holydays were sometimes referred to as Sabbath, but when the annual Sabbath were distinguished from the weekly Sabbath the annual Sabbath were called feasts and the weekly Sabbath were called Sabbath.

That is exactly according to the New Testament usage. The New Testament makes frequent reference to the annual holy days, but it refers to them as feasts (heortes), not Sabbath. Thus: 'feast of the passover' (Lk. 2:41; 22:1; John 6:4; 13:1) and 'feast of tabernacles' (John 7:2).

In Col. 2:16 'holyday' or 'feast day (heortes) is the term for annual holy days. As everyone can see, the term 'new moon' refers to the monthly holy day. And just as obviously, the term 'Sabbath' refers to the weekly Sabbath, just as it does in every other New Testament passage where it occurs.

The word Sabbaton used by Paul in Colossians 2:16 is never used anywhere in the Bible except to refer to the regular weekly Sabbath (Cf. Matt. 12:1; 28:1; Mk. 1:21; Lk. 4:16; Acts 13:14; 16:13), except with one exception, where it is translated as "week." (Matt 28:1; John 20:1) This should tell us that this word refers to a weekly day, the sabbath, in Col 2:16.. As a matter of fact, the Septuagint version, the Greek Old Testament, the fourth commandment uses the very same expression found in Colossians 2:16 to refer to the weekly Sabbath, "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" (Ex. 20:8). See also Exodus 35:2; Leviticus 23:37, 38; 24:8; Numbers 15:32; Deuteronomy 5:12; Isaiah 58:13.

Ron Halbrook said, "The Adventists quibble on Col. 2:14-17 by saying ' the sabbath days being plural refers only to certain 'ceremonial' sabbaths and not to 'the sabbath as such. But the plural encompasses all the Sabbath observances appointed, as can be seen from Exodus 31:12-18 ('sabbaths' and 'the sabbath' used interchangeably). The discussion by Jesus in Matt. 12:1-8, a proof text used by Sabbatarians, uses both the plural and singular forms (cf. vv.10-13). Jesus was Lord of David, Lord of Moses, and certainly 'Lord even of the sabbath day.' Being born 'under the law,' He kept it perfectly (Gal. 4:4); then He 'took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross'" (Ron Halbrook, Truth Magazine, 22,1, 21-25, 1/5/78).

Col.2:16: "regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths." Look how careful Paul was in writing this. We see a year, a month, to day progression proving that it refers to the 7th Day Sabbath. This occurs sometimes in reverse order in the Old Testament which is where Paul borrowed this progression from.

1 Chron. 23:31 Sabbaths and at New Moon festivals and at appointed feasts. (NIV) "Paul familiar with the Old Testament Hebraic pattern used it in the NewTestament.
2 Chron. 2:4 on Sabbaths and New Moons and at the appointed feast"s of the LORD our God (NIV) 2 Chron. 8:13 according to the daily rate, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the Sabbaths, on the New Moons, and the solemn feasts three times in the year--even in the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Tabernacles." (Masoretic text)
2 Chron. 31:3 "the Sabbaths, New Moons and appointed feasts as written in the Law of the LORD" (NIV)
Neh. 10:33 "Sabbaths, new moons, set feasts." In both Ezekiel and Hosea we find the pattern reversed. Ezekiel 45:17 states "feasts, new moons, Sabbaths..." Hosea 2:11 "feast days , new moons, Her Sabbaths--"
You see the consistent pattern of the feasts and Sabbath. Colossians 2:16 feast days, new moon, Sabbath days. Hence, Paul surely meant the weekly sabbath as a shadow, since the yearly and monthly sabbaths were already mentioned as holydays/feasts and new moons.

Compare this with Gal.4:10 where Paul uses the opposite pattern," You observe days and months and seasons and years. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be know by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?"

"You observe days and months and seasons and years." Vs.10 states, "you observe, days (weekly Sabbaths, Holy days), months (new moons), seasons (the 7 feasts as commanded in the law Lev.23 three feasts they were required to go to Jerusalem) and years (years are the Sabbatical years, every 7 and the 50th year of Jubilee). Paul makes a clear distinction between the feasts and days. Here the Judaizer"s wanted the people to keep the law. One thing led to another, it no longer was circumcision, next it was the Sabbath and feast days. To Paul this was a sign of weakness and immaturity. They are rudimentary forms of religion with no power; they cut one off from grace. Paul did not want the New Testament believer to become entangled in bondage again by their keeping these from obligation to the law. He goes on to say Christ is the "Substance", these things were shadows. THAT ENDS THE WEEKLY SABBATH, THERE IS NO WEEKLY SABBATH.

In 1 Cor. 16:1-2. We note here that the Corinthians were commanded to give upon the "first day of the week." (1 Cor. 16:1-2). The thrust of the Greek text indicates that literally Paul is saying "upon the first day of *every* week...." What reason could there be for giving such an instruction upon the first day of every week unless the first day was the main day they met for worship? Do you think if my opponent could find a passage which says that Christians were told to take a collection upon the Sabbath day that he would use it as an argument in proof of Sabbath day worship? You know that he would.

First, is giving to the church a religious service? Second, could giving be done on any day of the week? If yes, then why did Paul specifically give orders for it to be done on the "first day of the week"?

We should notice further that this command was an "order" of Paul. Paul had also given this same command to the churches of Galatia (16:1). This was not an isolated command only for the church at Corinth. Paul commanded "all that in every place who call upon the name of Jesus Christ" (1:2) that they should give upon the first day of the week. He further said that the things which he "wrote" were the commandments of God (1 Cor. 14:37). Does my opponent give on the first day of the week as the Bible says?

Yes, Sunday is a pagan name, so is Saturday. All the days on our calendar are connected to paganism, just read any encyclopedia. Was Paul sinning by having service on the first day of the week in Acts 20:7?

I don't believe Sunday is a holy day, its just one of the days Christians worshiped together in the Bible. Why does my oppoent quibble about where it came from? Wearing white at a wedding, wedding rings, the names of the days on our calendar, red carpets and many more things originated in paganism too, do does my opponent reject all these? I doubt. So please lets put aside the double standards.
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Posted by daley 11 months ago
daley
Same to you. Maybe we can even do a debate.
Posted by dsjpk5 11 months ago
dsjpk5
Good to see you, Daley!
Posted by Sonofcharl 11 months ago
Sonofcharl
What is the argument here. It is awfully difficult to debate a question. Pro may as well debate with themselves.
Posted by Flameslinger 11 months ago
Flameslinger
Roman Catholic wasn't the only early church. The was the Apostolic's as well. Either way the Sabbath was changed to Sunday due to Jesus' Resurrection on a Sunday.
Posted by divergent_ambon 11 months ago
divergent_ambon
You realize "Roman Catholic" was the only early church, right?
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