Did Jesus commit suicide? He foreseen his betrayal and death.
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Lets get the definition of suicide first.
Suicide : the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally
Now that we know the definition. Lets discuss.
1. Jesus didn't commit suicide by definition
Jesus foresaw his death, yes. However, he did not take his own life. For example, in the hypothetical scenario where I am a cancer patient and I decide to shoot myself, that would be suicide. If I in a different example, had a friend shoot me instead, my friend's actions would be considered homicide. Jesus essentially gave his permission to the Romans/Jewish leader to have him executed. However, he did not take his own life. His death was and still is considered death by crucifixion.
2. Suicide is a sin in the Christian Bible
(1 Corinthians 6:19-20)  Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;  you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV)  Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?  If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God&'s temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
I feel as though these verses make it clear that suicide, the act of one destroying their "temple" is considered a sin as demonstrated in Corinthians. Suicide is clearly a sin. If we assume that Jesus foresaw his death, then we must also assume (for the purposes of this debate) that Jesus was the Son of God. Now, the purpose of Jesus' death on the cross was the be a perfect, and sinless sacrifice for the world. So, since suicide is a sin and Jesus is sinless, Jesus could not have committed suicide.
I await my opponents response.
So if I pay you to kill me, it's not my action but only yours?
I know we are talking about Christianity, but in other religions allowing yourself to be killed for a higher cause is supposed to be a Holy act, isn't it?
Well, it's not exactly that simple. The action of allowing the train to hit you in the vast majority of cases essentially takes the away the agency of the train driver. Let me explain further, the train driver often cannot stop in time to prevent the death of the individual. That's why the individual in question would be committing suicide. He is taking advantage of the lack of control a train to end their own life. The only one with free will in the scenario is the individual, as any choice the driver makes will result in the death of person choosing to end their life.
Pilate chose to have Jesus executed. Jesus did allow it, but the people who brought him to Pilate, Pilate who ordered the execution, and the people who put him on the cross all had their free will. They could have refused to go any further with the execution of Jesus. Would it have been futile? Yes. Would Jesus have been executed anyway? Definitely. However, those people still chose to end Jesus' life. You are the only one choosing to end your life in the train scenario.
"So if I pay you to kill me, it's not my action but only yours?"
"I know we are talking about Christianity, but in other religions allowing yourself to be killed for a higher cause is supposed to be a Holy act, isn't it?"
First, we aren't talking about other religions so this is completely irrelevant. Second, even if we were, allowing yourself to be killed is not suicide.
I await my opponents final response.
I do agree that Jesus would never have committed suicide without a higher purpose. I'm convinced that Jesus committed martyrdom and not conventional suicide. You win the debate.
You don't need to explain to me what a train is, it was my story.
I look forward to future debates.----->Face-of-the-deep
I accept your forfeit. Thanks for the debate. It was fun.
I look forward to future debates as well. Vote Con.
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 4 months ago
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