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Did Socrates deserve to die?

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Started: 10/21/2013 Category: Philosophy
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em181992

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Hi :) I just wanted to say that this is most likely going to be a question for my midterm so I would appreciate the opportunity to engage in a critical debate.

I personally think that he did not deserve to die. There is no possible way that his teachings were dangerous, if anything, they taught others only about the existing dangers of conforming to a mindless wealth and greed driven society. I think socratic reasoning is an essential component to critical thinking, and that no one should deserve to die from free speech. Killing someone for their "crimes" only reinforces that idea that killing or doing harm is a viable solution for solving problems and getting rid of burdens.

Socrates pissed people off because he would point out their flaws in argument which would result in their instinct to be defensive. Because Socrates used this clever rhetoric of never saying he knew he was right, people became angered because they always wanted a clear answer from him about what is right. Humans are afraid of the unknown, and when they are brought to question and re evaluate their reason by questioning themselves without being given a straight up answer, it invokes anger and fear.

Humans are driven by their pride and self righteousness, and have always been throughout history. We do not like to admit we are wrong, and when someone questions our logic to excruciatingly obnoxious levels (like socrates) it makes us willing to do whatever it takes to prove ourselves righteous, even if it involves being unjust.

Free speech should never be punished. A lot may argue that Socrates was against democracy, but a lot of his beliefs were way more democratic compared to the people that punished him for his free speech. If we try to disengage people from critical thinking it will result in naivety and disaster.
Kesangla

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Hi, nice to meet you, this is my first time debating, so i might make a lot of mistakes. Please take good care of me...Tsering

In my opinion, Socrates did deserve to die. He was teaching his students things that didn't comply with the rules of the society that they lived in. Even though he might have been a great scholar, his way of teaching was wrong, and he was the reason why there was always a dangerous of an uprising. The reason why Socrates was killed was because he was creating a friction between the people and the government of Athens, and also his arrogance added to the final guilt verdict. Killing Socrates is justified because that was how the society was.

Socrates was a really arrogant person and he always thought he knew one more thing then everyone else. He was ruing the society and culture, by telling his disciples that there was no god and a lot of other things that were lies.

Overall I think that Socrates deserved to die because he was ruining the society and creating a friction between the government and the people. Even though in our society it might seem a bit rash to kill someone for freedom of speech, the society back then was a lot different, then it is now. You should take that into account when debating this case, and also his arrogance was a major key. It is believed that he was proven innocent, but because of his arrogance, he told the government that they should reward him for his services, is what made the jury vote unanimously.
Debate Round No. 1
em181992

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Thanks again, its great to meet you. This is also my first time participating in a fruitful debate so I appreciate this challenge. :)

Socrates strongly opposed to the Sophists, who had a warped sense of justice. They believed that justice was only to the advantage of the stronger. Socrates was wise to point out that everyone is error to judgement, and this is very true.

At the time, he deserved to time. The sense of justice was warped at the time. Although we are judging things of the past, we need to have a modern more contemporary sense of judgement because we are need living with the customs of those times.

What we would do if freedom of speech did not exist today? it is a essential component to speaking out against unjust laws.

Although Socrates was annoying and a narcissist, he did no physical, mental , emotional or financial harm to anyone. If they listened to his judgement

Just because the process of convicting him may of seemed like a democratic way to do so, the jury was most likely not a rational representation of athens but more of an oligarchic one. Most people on the juror were of the upper class, sophists, which was the thinking of the time.

No one should ever be punished in such a cruel fashion for rebelling against unjust laws and challenging unfair justice.

I do think that alot of your point are relevant, that he was annoying a narcissist etc. Accept for this is a very tricky and subjective issue to get into. Opinion varies on political idealogy. I am a strong believer in anarchy and freedom from the oppressive system of justice that still exists today. Punishing an eye for an eye only results in telling people that violence is an appropriate solution and that doing this constitutes a proper act of justice, which only results in more violence.

Although sometimes socrates had a dangerous form of reasoning, he taught people to critically evaluate their decisions and self evaluate by asking non answer based questions, so that they would be able to think of an answer themselves. This helps in realizing that your wrong sometimes and can prevent alot of harm if you are wanting to follow through on impulsive actions
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