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Different realms of reality

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Started: 3/30/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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RequiemForSouls

Pro

What if it were true that we actually are part of different realms of reality? What if time, science, religion, and technology can blur and show the different realms of possibilities. Time as we know it is always moving forward at a constant rate. What if time acts like iron filaments around a magnet? If we could take that type of model then we would have a positive time, negative time, and repeatable time. If we took it a little further and said that a person acts like a magnet in relationship to time. The top of the human is positive and the bottom is negative and the force lines representing the magnetic field is represented as different time levels. One would clearly see the dipole that is created and only at the center of the human perpendicular to the humans axis would be an infinite line representing only one moment exceeding way beyond and behind the human. Now for those who are still with me, (if you are not just Google "magnet force" and look under images) the lines of time at the lowest level, which is the immediate present can easily be repeated. Correlating this to the way people sometimes think, one could get stuck in thought and find it easy to repeat certain feelings, sayings, or even phrases if this inability to control is severe enough. Now some backing behind this particular thought is the fact that we do not even see the present happening at the present we think the time is happening. For example, every time you look up into the night sky and view a star you are actually looking into the the past, take the closest star you see and realize that even that star you are viewing the star as it was 4-5 years ago. As distance creates more time between objects then the perception of time from one object to another isn't going to be exactly accurate. Now moving objects also create this distortion and at higher velocities we account for this mathematically using Lorenz transformation and calculating gamma to adjust for the proper time. Back to realizing that we do not see or hear anything at the exact moment we are believing to be bring us back to the magnet model of a human and the relationship to time. If time evolves around a human like the iron filaments around a magnet showing the force lines of the magnet itself then it would appear to account for different distances happening at different times and adjusting for that understanding. Now take the psychology behind this and realize that the closer things are either physically or emotionally can be easily repeated. For example, take the emotional example, someone hurt your feelings and you can't hep but repeat that story many times before getting over it. A physical example of this would be something happens close to your face and you actually see the moment occurring more then one time. Now if this idea of time follows the same pattern with different field lines, such as around a magnet, time then would actually be viewed to have past events occurring at the same time as events in the present and the future. Back to the beginning of the time discussions, if this view is accepted then there is a single field line of time that stretches from negative infinity to positive infinity perpendicular to the source of observation. For each individual human this occurs. Now take this idea and wrap it around the earth, or further out to the solar system, or the galaxy or the universe. Everything repeats in some similarity within the bounds of the source being observed to display this phenomenon. If you think that there is a central source containing the beginning lines of everything bounded by time (or distance in this case) then the divergence of these combining lines would be in the same plane approaching perpendicular to another plane that itself also spans to infinity. From this point would be the point at the beginning of this realm. Out of body experiences share many key themes and one seems to be this enormous space that is shrunk down from view and is as if you are moving away from an object that is getting smaller the farther you move. If you were to calculate even light travel and taking in the Lorenz transformation time dilation factor you could actually travel great distances to the ends of the universe in your lifetime. Of course only knowing about it or having a near death experience can give the ability to comprehend the moments that occur right when death happens. If you were to take the idea of a central point that combines this realm then perhaps it would show there are other direction away from that point. I would like to think that it is possible for different realms to be occurring at the same time as this one is. Maybe if there are directions from that central point where everything goes into then the line that is symmetrically opposite could be directly attached. If this is true maybe some who are more sensitive in the foundations of themselves can actually go to that other side or at least see it. Now the central point would have to be in four dimensions because it is prior to this realm (which is three dimensions). (Look up big bang expansion and four dimension collapse) What would symmetrically opposite be in four dimensions? Doing simple arrangement on a graph you can draw a small diagonal line from a an x,y,z origin and you can see up to eight different symmetric diagonal lines. Take a center line up and down and you have nine lines keeping everything woven together. Could this be eight different realms with a ninth realm holding the eight together? Many different religions have different ideas that pertain to only be part of the story. If you take them all together, excluding some that go to far, then you can paint a broader picture. Take the Dogon tribe who somehow knew that Sirius A and B were a binary star system (claiming to even have a third star) stating the orbital time and being spot on. How did they know this well before modern technology? To them the Nomos told them. The Bible has parallel stories in the Genesis representing different views of creation. The Epic of Gilgamesh dated before the Bible tells of tales about different God's that are over different things. Ancient God's. Back to the Bible God has many names (or many different God's?) Perhaps the God that talked to Noah and destroyed the world with a flood was not the same God that shows mercy and love. Maybe there are different God's. God's name is spoken at different times in the Bible and it is interesting to read in the original language the Old Testament and seeing which name of God was used for different stories. YHWH is mentioned as the one true G-d; however, correct translation of this word is impossible because we do not know the vowels. Many have argued one way or another but no concrete proof will ever be certain. How can different names be used to talk about God anyway? And personally if I wanted to change a belief I would try to persuade many people by acting like a son of God or "Man". Ezekiel was called the Son of "Man" more times in the book of Ezekiel then in the rest of the New Testament combined. Was Jesus really a Son of God? I believe in an immediate afterlife. A Christian's belief is that death is a sleep that at the time of the second coming will awake and a new heaven and earth will be formed after the great battle between good and evil. Jesus is not the only way to heaven, the Bible showed that with Enoch and Elijah as two examples. If you wanted to persuade the masses you would pretend to be the Son of God and make them believe that eventually God will come for them and that you must pray and accept him in order to transcend. The book of Deuteronomy forbids this and warns against this very thing. The point is no one religion is going to explain the necessary truth behind spirituality. However, looking at ancient religions from the beginning through to today many interesting patterns emerge and are repeated throughout time in different religions. It is very interesting and there is definitely something to that. I am not trying to step on toes I yearn for a oneness and a desire to being different ideas together in order to further progress. I bring many different extraordinary and wild claims in this post. I asked you to read this again with a different mindset and attempt to ponder the possibility of what if. If for nothing else then to get a more solid thought behind your belief and please share, thank you.
9spaceking

Con

Gigantic Block of Text deals 50,000 damage to 9spaceking, nearly destroying him.
9spaceking uses "search up realm on dictionary.com", healing 1,000 health.
Definition:
1. a royal domain; kingdom: the realm of England.
2. the region, sphere, or domain within which anything occurs, prevails, or dominates: the realm of dreams.
3. the special province or field of something or someone: the realm of physics; facts within the realm of political scientists
9spaceking searches up reality on dictionary.com, healing 5,000 health.
definition: the state or quality of being real. (the other meanings were pretty the same)
so now, which "realm" was pro talking about?
royal domain of reality. Reality is not a person, so no.
Region of reality: "reality" is simply what is real, so the region is everywhere, including the universe. We live in the universe. There might be multiple universes, but this is not confirmed, as stated in http://ed.ted.com....
Futhermore, universe is defined as "all existing matter and space considered as a whole", which means everything makes up the universe, making it impossible to have many universes.
(Example: even if there were a googol galaxies yet to be discovered out of our discovered "universe", you still cannot say there are two universes, because by the definition of universe, all those googol galaxies are included!)

finally, the last definition of Realm: "the special province or field of something or someone", but this is similar to the region definition. As you can see there can be no "multiple realms of reality". (horah, got 10,000 hp from a health potion!)
There are many flaws in your Giant Block of Text. Just to name one, time is not always consistent. Why is this? We base time on how long it takes the earth to do one full turn-around (one "day"), and how long it takes to revolve around the sun (365 "days", or one "year"). But it is not always like this--one day, eventually, the sun will die out, and we won't have the sun to revolve around. Thus, one "year" will change. (unless we somehow revolve around a new star or planet that coincidentally, takes one "year" to revolve. You might argue a "day" will never change, but if an asteroid big enough to cause damage to earth earth terrain even after it burns in the atmosphere, the earth might be slightly made bigger or smaller, and thus, one turn-around would be different, and a "day" would be changed.
100,000 damage to your monster!
In conclusion, I've got 100,000 health now, your gigantic monster's down to 900,000 health, and you've got messy bloody hands to clean up.
Oh, and BTW, I kidnapped your princess. >;)
Debate Round No. 1
RequiemForSouls

Pro

RequiemForSouls forfeited this round.
9spaceking

Con

Incredible! The science guy has failed to science me.
Unfortunately I always and only win debates my opponents forfeit.
Sad, eh?
While you cry here's a funny picture of Pinkie Pie to cheer you up:


As can be seen here there are no multiple realms of reality. There's just multiple realms of Pinkie and her imaginary gigantic cake.
Debate Round No. 2
RequiemForSouls

Pro

RequiemForSouls forfeited this round.
9spaceking

Con

Too bad....
Debate Round No. 3
RequiemForSouls

Pro

RequiemForSouls forfeited this round.
9spaceking

Con

What's wrong?


Hmmmm....You must be very busy.
Debate Round No. 4
RequiemForSouls

Pro

RequiemForSouls forfeited this round.
9spaceking

Con

I win. Vote con!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
lol yeah gigantic wall of text. I had to put in some humor.
Posted by The_Scapegoat_bleats 2 years ago
The_Scapegoat_bleats
Cancel this, take it to the forum, see if you can find someone to debate a single aspect of this wall of text there.
Best of luck!
Posted by Chrysippus 2 years ago
Chrysippus
An interesting post, but better suited for a blog or the forums than for a debate. For one thing, there are simply too many points brought up to handle in a debate, which is by necessity limited in space and focus. For another thing, the vast majority of your post is speculation without objective support, which has its place, but does not make for a good debate. It sounds more like you want a conversation about this rather than a debate, anyway.
Posted by RequiemForSouls 2 years ago
RequiemForSouls
I don't know I was hoping to generate a debate from this. Maybe getting someone who really disagrees with one of the multiple aspects of my conversation.
Posted by Jabuticaba 2 years ago
Jabuticaba
What are you trying to debate?
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