Digimon has a better storyline than Pokemon
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This is my first debate so please be nice :D
This debate will focus on the story (plot, characters, settings, evolution, etc).
Round4 closing statement
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I have not actually watched digimon, but I am a Pokemon fan and prepare to fight.
The reasons I prefer Digimon to Pokemon:
1. Plot The plot in Digimon has exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, and resolution. I will take Digimon Tamers as the example. The first episodes of Tamers were focusing on introducing the character and how they met with their digimon. Then they made a rising action, which was the appearance of Deva digimons in their world. This rising action continued until the fighting between the Tamers with D-Reaper, which was the climax. The falling action was when the kids gathered together with their digimon, celebrated their victory. The resolution was when the digimon must return to their original world.
And after finishing a season, they always introduce a new concept in the next season. For example, in Digimon adventure 1 there's only basic digivolution. Next, in Digimon Adventure 2, there is armor digivolution, which come from an egg. In Digimon Tamers, they introduce mega digivolution by bio-merging the kids and their digimon. Digimon Frontiers brought a whole new idea, the kids become a digimon by doing spirit evolution.
- In Digimon, the kids can only have one digimon.
- The digimons also have the ability to talk like a human.
These two are the reason why the character development of digimon is better than Pokemon, especially between the kids with their digimon/Pokemon. Rather than dividing his attention to 11 Pokemon like Ash, Takato can focusing his attention to Guilmon. He finds a place for Guilmon to live, he gives Guilmon the bread from his house, he plays with Guilmon, etc.
Pokemon: 3 stages of evolution, can't devolve.
Digimon: 6 stages of evolution, can devolve and rebirth (by becoming a digi-egg)
1. Lavender Town Syndrome
2. Electric Soldier Porygon
1. Digimon has the best songs! Especially Butterfly and Biggest Dreamer!
2. Cool fire-breathing dinosaur protagonist or cute pika-pika rat protagonist? Really?
3. Digimon is cleverer than Pok"mon. They can speak not only their name like Pokemon.
4. Ash has been 10 years for about 17 years! Taichi (protagonist from digimon adventure 1) has grown up and become the ambassador of digimon, he even have a child!
Do. Not. Diss. Pikachu.
The whole opinion you have on Pikachu is wrong. You seem to think he is just a a little mouse Pokemon, and the fire breathing fire thing is better. A whole sub-plot is based on Pikachu. Yes, he may be small, and he may be weaker then the big Pokemon, but the fights on. In Series One episode 11, Ash has to choose whether to evolve Pikachu to win. But Pikachu refuses, as he is determined to win as himself, he will not change. Not only is this touching, but it sends a good message to the children-adults watching it.
The opposition has stated that Digimon is better because there is only one, instead of being able to get more, like you can in Pokemon. But aren't our parents always telling us to make more friends? We cannot only focus on one person, we must build up a good network of friends, as it will help us rise to their talents. Also, The Pokemon kike having others around it, to talk to.
Which leads to when you stated that The Digimon characters are better because they can speak english. Sure, that's great, they can talk to their owner and everything. But this takes away one of the basic plots of the two: Animal (or pokemon/digimon) and Human co-operation. They anthropomorph the creatures so they no longer seem like animals.
Also, you stated that Taichi has grown up. Yes. He has. That is one of the mistakes this series has made. The program is aimed at kids, so features kids. The children can relate to someone their own age, but can you see one relating to an adult? No.
Pro also stated that the pokemon are stupid because they can only say their name, while Digimon speak english....So...are you calling people who speak other languages stupid? Because they do not speak English? The Pokemon are communicating, their name IS their language. The way they say it is how they communicate. I could just as well state that Digimon are stupid because they cannot talk by saying their name is different ways like Pokemon can.
And please. Check your grammer. He even HAS a child. Not even have a child. Ok?
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I'm sorry if my grammar is bad. It's my second language and I'm still 14 :)
And you must check on your spelling.
Also, The Pokemon kike having others around it, to talk to. (paragraph 2 last sentence)
Kike (pron.: /G2;ka=8;k/) is a derogatory slur used to refer to Jews.
Check your grammer. (Last paragraph, before you corrected my grammar)
Last time I checked, the word is spelled grammar.
Ok, back to the debate. Con said:
But aren't our parents always telling us to make more friends? (paragraph 2 line 2)
This argument is based on what parents taught us. Well, my parents never tell me to make more friends. They told me, one bestfriend you can rely on is better than a hundred friends.
Which leads to when you stated that The Digimon characters are better because they can speak english. (par. 3)
That's not what I wrote in my previous argument. I wrote: The digimons also have the ability to talk like a human.
That is one of the mistakes this series has made. (par. 4)
That's not a mistake. They made Taichi and the others into adult just in the last 5 minutes of the series. It's like an epilogue, which pokemon doesn't have. What I want to tell is, even if it's aimed at kids, the story must have an end. A real end where the characters are no longer used in the next season.
The children can relate to someone their own age, but can you see one relating to an adult? No. (par. 4)
Well, when I watched this episode for the first time, I was 6. As a child, you always have dreams, even some of the dream are unrealistic. Taichi became an ambassador for digimon, Matt became an astronout, Sora became a designer, Joe became a digimon doctor, T.K. became a novelist, others became a detective, lawyer, cook, researcher, etc. Thoe jobs are the most common dream of a kid, and showing the DigiDestineds can have those jobs will inspire them to pursue their dream in reality.
Pro also stated that the pokemon are stupid because they can only say their name, while Digimon speak english.(par.5)
I wrote: Digimon is cleverer than Pok"mon. They can speak not only their name like Pokemon. There is no word in this sentence indicating pokemons are stupid. There is also no word in this sentence indicating Digimon speak english.
I'm just saying that Digimons have the ability to talk like a human, not in specific language (to response the next sentence which acused me to undermine the intelligence of other people who don't speak english). In U.S., digimons speak English. In Japan, digimons speak Japanese. In Indonesia, digimons speak Indonesian.
Con has tried to give his rebuttals. But he didn't give anything about:
-PLOT, which I think as the most important thing what a pokemon anime is lack of.
-Lavender Town Syndrome and Electric Soldier Porygon
Those three points are the main reason why Digimon is better than Pokemon, and the con didn't say anything about it. Also, he said:
- I undermine the intelligence of people who don't speak english
- I treat pokemon as a stupid being
Those are silly arguments created by a misconception I think. As I wrote above, I have never written anything that indicating pokemons or non-english speaker are stupid.
So basically, He is unable to argue with two of my main reasons and all of the real cases that put pokemon in disadvantage. He tried to argue with my second reason, one based on what his parents taught him to, one based on the last 5 minutes of the series, and acusing me two times based on something that I have never written.
Please vote for Pro.
And I want to thank Con for accepting my very first debate.
Thank you for your advice. I'll learn grammar more often from today :)
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