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Disney World is better then Universal Studios

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/24/2008 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Hreha827

Pro

Because of Walt Disney the founder of the Walt Disney movies, theme park, ect. Universal Studios would never of been here. Well they might of been here but they would have never of been as good without Walt Disney. With Walt Disney alot of theme park wouldn't as good as they are.
Logical-Master

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First, it must be taken into consideration that my opponent has provided ABSOLUTELY no evidence to support the assertion that Disney World is better.

Second, the movies are not to be taken into consideration unless we are referring to the themes of the rides (which quite frankly, Universal Studios has Disney world beat on, but more on that later).

With those two points being taken into consideration, let us compare Disney World to Universal Studios.

1)Universal Studios is both adult and child oriented, ergo, the kiddies won't be the only ones guaranteed to have a good time when visiting universal. US (Universal Studios) has regularly hosts a wide variety of live actions shows themed from the 1920s generation films to the 2000 generation films. Mind you, there's nothing cartoonish in these shows, hence making them adult oriented. Furthermore, the same can be said for the rides, when we look back to rides focused on such hit films like Back to the Future, E.T, Terminator, Earthquake (well, sort of), King Kong, and many more.

2) Universal Studios has more variety. Let us take "Islands of Adventure into consideration. Islands of Adventure is additional theme parked grouped in Universal Studios that features 6 different islands. In other words, six miniature theme parks. These parks as listed as Marvel Super Hero island (an island that is marvel oriented, includes Marvel Comic oriented shows, has the world famous Spider-Man ride[ ], the Hulk roller coaster [ ] and many more), Toon Lagoon island ( a park focused on characters such as Popeye and Dudley do right, not to mention shows and activities which even your toddlers can enjoy, and popeye themed river rapids ride, and a Dudley do right log flumed ride), Jurassic Park island (Jurassic park oriented and with shows and rides just as suggested by the above), The Lost continent island ( the unique thing about this island is not only the museams, but the world famou duel inverted roller coaster know as the dueling dragons; check this out: ), Seus landing island (Dr Seus oriented park with Dr Seus oriented rides and shows), and the in development "The Wizarding World of Harry Potter (which will be focused on Harry Potter both in rides and shows). Now if you compare this to Disney, there's hardly any variety. All there is to look at is disney characters as well as any other entertainment which would mostly entertain Disney's typical target audience ( ages 12 and below).

These are my contentions and I now await my opponent's rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 1
Hreha827

Pro

Thank You for your reponce.

Nobody can say Disney World does not have a great number of verity of rides, shows and theme parks for both kids and adult.

Such as,

1) There are tons of ride for both kids and adults such as Mission: Space, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Rocking Roller Coaster, Expedition Everest, Test Track, and Tower of Terror for the older crowd. Peter Pan, Finding Nemo ride, Buzz Light year, and Tom Sawyer Island for the little ones.

2) There are also tons of shows like Philharmagic, Lion King Show, Fantasmic, Voyage of the Little Mermaid, and Disney's Beauty and the Beast.

3) Walt Disney World has at least five different themes in each the parks.
There parks include Magic Kingdom, Epcot, MGM, and Animal Kingdom. Inside each theme park include different themes includeing: Magic Kingdom: Main Street U.S.A, Adventureland, Frontierland, Liberty Square, Fantasyland, Mickey's Toontown Fair, and Tomorrowland.
Animal Kingdom: Discover Island, Camp Minnie- Mikey, Africa, Rafiki's Planet Watch, Asia, and DinoLand U.S.A..
MGM: Hollywood Boulevard, Echo Lake, Streets of America, Mickey Avenue, Animation Courtyard, and Sunset Boulevard.

Walt Disney World is a great family theme park for everyone Kids and Adult. Universal Studios is really a great theme park but when it comes down to it Walt Disney World provides many more themes and fun for everyone in your family. Vote Pro.
Logical-Master

Con

Logical-Master forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Hreha827

Pro

I Hope You mean you didn't post it in time but so I have nothing to debate about because my opponent didn't type anything in time.
Logical-Master

Con

ALL VOTERS NOTE THE FOLLOWING: The website glitched and kept me from actually entering the previous round. Fortunately, I was able to submit my case in the comment section (which you're free to read below) within the actual time limit (as can be proven by post I set as a marker and my opponent's acknowledgment). So now, all that is necessary is that I respond to the argument my opponent made in the comments section. I'll quote for those who don't have the patience to find it.

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"O sorry I didn't see the comment Disney World more theme then just Mickey Mouse, Peter Pan and those other characters. They have different theme park with different worlds, with different themes, they try to bring you into these world by reacting the story of each famous Disney. Disney World rides are not a joke just because they don;t have flips and wild turns there all for the family and enjoyable. If those ride are a joke than why do 44,000 people visit per day. Animal Kingdom is not just a park for seeing animals its also a park of fun thrilling rides some for the older and younger and amazing shows. If Universal Studios is the originally being a filmed focused park as my opponent say, then why is Universal Studios ranked sixth in the mosted visited park charts o but look M. G. M which is ranked forth. O and Epcot is not just a site seeing theme park is also a theme park with many ride and fun such as Test Track, Mission Space, etc. My opponent say the Universal Studios has more theme to offer but I know he is wrong. Disney World is one place that is all about different themes and have tons of family fun for everyone."

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MY ROUND 3 REBUTTAL
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First, my opponent still attempts to maintain the theme argument by suggesting that Disney has more themes than just Donald Duck, Peter Pan, and the like (hence acknowledging that themes like these alone aren't good enough), but as I've already shown in round 2. Things like "animals" from space kingdom or the nations in Epcot are mostly bland and uninteresting as they really don't fall under a theme created for the purpose of entertainment. On the other hand and as I've suggested before, Harry Potter, Jurassic Park, Dr. Seus, Marvel (including its flagship character, Spider-Man), Popeye, Terminator, the Mummy, Jaws, Back to the Future, and many more greatly surpass Disney World in this aspect. Thus, in terms of themes, my argument is much stronger than my opponent's.

Second, my opponent does not really address my comparisons between the best Disney rides (also note that he conceded to those rides being the best since he did not address this claim). Basically, he essentially says "nuh uh." Never-the-less, I must point out that the wild turns and flips in the Universal Studios coasters are what truly attract the roller coaster crowd (which on balance, is a large percentage of individuals who go to theme parks and meet the qualifications to ride). Not only that, but as can be seen in the Spider-Man and Jurassic park ride, wild turns and flips were by no means involved. Thus, in terms of which have the better rides, my argument is infinitely superior to my opponent's.

As for the 44,000 people per day response, this is utterly meaningless in terms of proving which park has the better rides. Not only that, but as you can see, my opponent provides no source for this claim.

Before I continue, allow me to enlighten you with an example. Titanic is known for being the movie with the highest box office gross in history. Even when you factor out such matters as inflation, it is still ranked highly. On the other hand, the reviews it received were far from impressive. Now, in comparison to the classic film "The Godfather" (which for the most part, is unquestionably one of the greatest reviewed films of all time), Titanic made more money in terms of gross, but it is still recognized by the majority as an inferior film. Moral of the story? Don't equate sales to likability.

Even assuming that my opponent's Disney World quota is correct, it is simply non sequitur to suggest that Disney World's sales success directly correlates with it's likability. If anything, this can easily be attributed to Disney World being more iconic as well as producing better advertisements.

As for Animal Kingdom, my opponent presents a straw man argument through suggesting that I insinuated that there weren't any rides in Animal Kingdom. I said no such thing. Rather, my argument concerned its bland theme (hence being a point which he completely dropped).

As for the MGM Universal Studios comparison, the flaws in this argument fall back the flaws presented in the "44,000 people per day" argument which I have just addressed. Thus, you can dismiss it for the same reasons I present above.

Once more, my opponent makes a straw man argument by arguing that Epcot is not just a sight seeing park. My argument was that it was MOSTLY (as in not all) a sight seeing part (hence being yet another point which he completely dropped).

Finally, my opponent drops my counter argument on the "Tower of Terror" where I show that it has caused heart attacks, thus isn't the kind of ride older individuals need to be riding (contrary to my opponent's point of view).

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CLOSING STATEMENTS:
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I believe that my opponent and I have exhausted all avenues of the subject at hand. I maintain my position that "Universal Studios is better than Disney World" is correct and that my opponent has failed to demonstrate how his position overcomes the following:

1) Disney has a serious lack variety due to its limited themes, whereas Universal goes from Spider-Man to Harry Potter in terms of what you can be a part of. PRO was never able to establish an argument to truly counter this. The best he could do is give meager examples of Disney World's ATTEMPT at variety, but as I've shown, those attempts are bland and uninteresting in comparison to what Universal has done.

2) For the most part, PRO failed to successfully counter my comparisons between the best rides of Disney World and the best rides of Universal (it should also be noted that he conceded to the rides I picked as being the best since he didn't dispute this claim in round 3).

3) PRO provided no sources for his claim concerning the statistics of Disney World. Furthermore (and not to mention that his argument wasn't brought up until round 3),I was also able to demonstrate how his conclusion based on these so-called statistics was illogical.

4) It turned out that my opponent's responses to my argument concerning MGM and Animal Kingdom were both straw man arguments, hence my opponent missed the claims I supported, hence he dropped them.

5) PRO conceded to my argument concerning the Tower of Terror.

Thus, the winner of this debate is clearly the contender. I would like to thank my opponent for the debate and the audience for reading. 'Till next time. ;)
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Hreha827 9 years ago
Hreha827
O sorry I didn't see the comment Disney World more theme then just Mickey Mouse, Peter Pan and those other characters. They have different theme park with different worlds, with different themes, they try to bring you into these world by reacting the story of each famous Disney. Disney World rides are not a joke just because they don;t have flips and wild turns there all for the family and enjoyable. If those ride are a joke than why do 44,000 people visit per day. Animal Kingdom is not just a park for seeing animals its also a park of fun thrilling rides some for the older and younger and amazing shows. If Universal Studios is the originally being a filmed focused park as my opponent say, then why is Universal Studios ranked sixth in the mosted visited park charts o but look M. G. M which is ranked forth. O and Epcot is not just a site seeing theme park is also a theme park with many ride and fun such as Test Track, Mission Space, etc. My opponent say the Universal Studios has more theme to offer but I know he is wrong. Disney World is one place that is all about different themes and have tons of family fun for everyone.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Hreha827, I did post in time. You can confirm this through checking the actual time I made the post stating I had an hour and fifty three minutes left. If you don't believe me about the common glitch in the system, you're free to ask the Webmaster himself as I've talked to him about this glitch before.

Furthermore, I'm going to wait 2.5 days before I respond, so you're free to actually respond to what I said in the comment section before then.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
TO those reading, I did not forfeit round 2. The site glitched 30 minutes before my time limit was up, as can be proven by my below post made 1 hour and 20 minutes ago. You can read my round from top to bottom below.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
First off, in my previous round, I had suggested that Disney world did not have as much variety as Universal period. My opponent countered by pointing out that Disney World had a variety of rides and shows, but this wasn't the point I was getting at. Rather, I'm more focused on the themes.

When one thinks of Disney, they think of Mickey mouse, Peter Pan, and all of those other characters who all fall into the same genre/theme. This is where Universal and Disney differ at greatly as it goes from Spider-Man, to Harry Potter, to the freaking Terminator.. With so many different themes, this is how I'm able to claim that Disney world is inferior in the department of variety.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Re Point 1) Attempting to show that Disney world is better through the rides is my opponent's downfall. To negate this point, I will only cover major rides.

For the most part, many rides at Disney World are a joke. Don't believe me?

Feast your eyes on a good example of a Disney Ride (it's a small world): .

Now compare that to the Spider-man ride: Which looks more exciting to you? My thoughts exactly. This ride is exciting both for adults and the younger crowd (the crowd that has no business riding serious rides). Certainly more exciting than it's a small world. Blech.

Compare Splash Mountain ( ) to the Jurassic Park ride ( )

You'll find Jurassic Park to be superior as not only does it produce everything which Splash Mountain produces (as in, you go 90 or so feet in the air only to plummet to below water on a water raft), but the excitement of Jurassic Park is present and it'll have you believing that you're actually in the film. And the part where the T-Rex is about to eat you at the end will be a moment to remember for the rest of your life.

Finally, let us compare the Rocking Roller Coaster ( ) to Dueling Dragons ( ). At first glance, it would seem that Rocking Roller Coaster has the advantage as it has some fancy lights and music; perhaps even a simulation to being high, but the Dueling Dragons is special in that it pits two roller coasters against each other at the same time. So while you're on the ride, you get the constant feeling that you're going to clash with the other roller coaster, which is what really reels in the excitement. Roller coaster fanatics and even casual roller coaster fans will love this one.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
As for the older crowd, Tower of Terror is hardly the rid for someone who is truly aged. In fact, it may even cause a heart attack as shown here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk...
Don't fall prey to my opponent's deceitful advice (especially if you value your heart condition).
As for little ones, again, the Dr. Seus island in Islands of Adventure is an island specifically targeted at producing entertainment for little ones, so Disney World is clearly at a disadvantage.

Re Point 2) All the shows my opponent listed are kiddy shows. While it's good to have entertainment to impress the kiddies, the adults are gonna want entertainment too. Universal does more than provide. It has shows that are combined into actual rides (Disaster, Jaws, Twister, and the Mummy are good examples). And for the middle aged and above folks here, you'll get plenty of entertainment out Mel's Drive-In concert. Concert shows are hosted and to top it off, it's right in front of restaurant so you can eat and be entertained at the same time. You'll can also have fun at Universals Horror Makeup show that deals with many horror film related entertainment. You can check out the Blue's Brother's live, Street Breaks (a street show with Break dancers), and many more. Of course, if you wanna switch back to shows for kiddies, you can either check out the many Nickelodeon themed shows and such related things. Clearly, Universal Studios dominates when it comes to shows.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Re Point 3) This was covered above. Most of those are stereotypically Disney related in one way or another, whereas the rest don't really even count as different themes as they aren't themed after anything special. Seriously, what the heck is the Animal Kingdom park supposed to be themed after? Animals? Seriously? Yawn! Big deal. On the other hand, Universal has style; it has PIZAZZ. It's the only place you're gonna be able to have fun doing Spider-Man, Harry Potter, Dr. Seus, or Jurassic Park related stuff in the same location.

M.G.M is nothing special considering that Universal (originally being a filmed focused park) not only has more experience in this department but has the rights to use more films as themes as the basis for entertainment.

As for EPCOT, it's mostly a place for sight seeing. In other words, it doesn't really provide the theme park experience, also fueling my argument as to why Disney World is inferior.
When my opponent states that Disney World provides fun for everyone, he couldn't be anymore wrong. Maybe we're talking about a relatively young family (as in a mother and father who have been parents for a bit less than a decade), then it may be considerable in the realm of possibility (while neglecting some of my arguments), but an experienced family will be more satisfied with what Universal Studios has to offer. Hence, it is logical that you vote CON for this debate. Thank you.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Note: It says I have 1:53 minutes to respond. Just in case the system glitch shows up, I'll use this post as a reference.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Well, it would seem someone just gang raped all of my tied debates. :( Anyways, I'll respond an hour or two before my time limit.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
I'll shall respond tomorrow.
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