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Arganger
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FollowerofChrist1955
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Dissociative Identity Disorder is Real

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Started: 12/30/2017 Category: Health
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Arganger

Pro

You will argue as to why you think it is fake.

Get right into your argument.
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

The validity of your debate is flawed!
1. It has no bearing upon reality. Ie Mental Illness diagnosis
2. It serves only a Financial interest.
3. It therefore is a pointless subject for the purpose of debate, under Health more suited to Finance section.

You argue a Financial label, nothing more. Viewed from Reality Psychology is a pseudoscience, completely without merit! That is to say, anyone can determine with reasonable accuracy the mentally ill. The placement of Names serves only the purpose of Financial institutions. To LABEL an illness, for the purpose of specific charges to be incurred.

Mental illness IS Real, Beyond that, it involves only the insurance industry.Hospital institutions, psychiatric clinics. Why?
ICD 9/ICD 10 Coding. For payment purposes (ONLY).

Dissociative Identity Disorder is Real
ANSWER: NO it is an ICD 10 code for financial payment purposes ONLY!
Are these person"s Mentally ill? YES.

It is clear by the debate topic that your inference is "Not" for the purpose of Financial debate. you in point of fact infer that the MEDICAL CONDITION is a reality. That then is False. It is not REAL in this sense as it falls squarely on the diagnosis of Mental Illness/Disorder alone.

Rationale: Very few people present with any single diagnosis. The primary diagnosis IS Mental illness. For PAY purposes, it must be narrowed down for the purpose of Insurance, and Hospital charge capabilities ... nothing more!

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Debate Round No. 1
Arganger

Pro

We are discussing whether or not the mental illness Dissociative Identity Disorder ever occurs, in other words is real. Not the validity of using different diagnostic terms.

A diagnosis serves far more than a Financial purpose, as it also determines proper treatment and gives the person going through it a proper name for and idea of what they have. If it is all lumped in as general mental illness than it can cause issues in finding proper treatment.

With DID it is often misdiagnosed as schizophrenia, but schizophrenia is entirely different, and the medication has terrible effects on those who don't need it. Were as the treatment for DID is normally trauma therapy and learning communication skills between the alters.

The reason for discussing DID is because it is seen as a rather controversial diagnosis.
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

I"m sorry, your now makinlg the Atheists arguement. Uh-Uh, ignoring all semblance of evidence for your own personal belief or agenda, which does not extend to research and study! Going off opinions and conjectures. Nobody can reason with the unreasonable, if you will not accept the facts, stop debating!

The diagnosis is always Mental Illness .... end of discussion. However for treatment and billing purposes (cost, to treatment to payment ratio, it MUST HAVE an ICD 9 or 10 Code ... end of discussion! This requires for the SOLE PURPOSE of billing, the physicians to NAME a specific CODE identifier. This requires a process, to completion, but inevitably the (MD) reach a consensus and the illness though Mental is assigned an International Classification of Diseases, 9th Revision, Clinical Modification. or ICD 9 code for billing. See previous evidence.

There is ONLY a single purpose for the diagnosis of Mental Illness by reason of a specific identifier! Financial! The insurance companies refuse to shell out the same dollars for treatment of a generalized disorder ... eg Mental illness.
Why? By reason of cost to payment to treatment ratio.

So your argument while giving appearance of validity is not a Valid arguement. That is to specifically say, that anything other than The diagnosis OF MENTAL ILLNESS (Is not valid nor real) it IS in every way, a diagnosis CREATED TO SPECIFY for the sole pupose of billing and treatment financial caps the disease to minimize finacial losses of the insurance companies!

Look. Every illness in the health care setting, is Coded! Without that code NO BILLING is possible, except under unspecified
2017/18 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code F99 Mental disorder, not otherwise specified, this is not acceptable to insurance as it allows charges which the insurance company feel are unnecessary, thereby not covered!

If YOU THINK that the MD"s are doing it for any other purpose you are mistaken! They want their money, and insurance will not pay unless whatever they have can be tracked, costs averaged, and treatments regimens outlined so the Insurance company knows what treatment IS and IS NOT resaonable!

Your a hoot. You can plainly SEE that your government doesn"t care about your freedoms, doesn"t care whether YOU have a Job. Won"t pay for you Hospital bills without an ICD 9 code .... and still be naive enough to think, psychologist give a rats rear, whats exactly wrong with you! They don,t but mental health unspecified, does not feed the Bulldog, in Hopitals, Clinics, MD"s and Insurance.

Remember the Show Wiseguys? The part where they were sympathizing with the people who owed them? Oh the house burnt down? Blank you pay me! Oh your mom"s sick? Blank you pay me! Oh your dog got hit by a car? Blank you pay me!

Hehehe .... your so crazy!
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by MRAAJ.evil 6 months ago
MRAAJ.evil
Finally cut once I can relate to were Follower' is coming from?
Although he's conveying his argument like a pr1ck, he has a point.

He's saying regardless of your condition, the medical industry only cares about money, to ask extent that's right. They'll diagnose you depending on what you tell them. For example when i applied for my counselling assessment last month, i was on the phone for an hour, and the summary letter was so vague and nonchalant.

in truth, mental illness is a disorder, n Since follower' has said mental illness is real, you can't argue with him because he's mentally ill himself. he'll just ramble about you going to hell if you disagree with him.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 6 months ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Rupleix;
That's incorrect ... the illness is mental illness, not Dissociative Identity Disorder, that is a SIDE EFFECT for which in order to charge for treatment ... it must specify treatment option.

Look. The point is the primary Diagnosis IS Mental Illness PERIOD. The CODE ... (all psychiatric conditions MUST HAVE a CODE, why? Insurance purposes ALONE!

Can't treat schizophrenia in the Hospital or clinics as Mental Illness is nonspecific. Costs would be unmanageable.

2018 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code F20 Schizophrenia

The Schizophrenia is the treatment category, NOT the disease itself? The disease process is Mental Illness manifested as Schizophrenia. Therefore the treatment regimen is ICD 10 code F20 for pay purposes ... you see?

People get all caught up in the emotional factors leading them to fail to use reason in their thinking. Set aside emotion, LOOK at the rationale FOR THE NEED for coding. Then it becomes clear.

Example take a patient to the hospital, with ANY condition and the FIRST THING they will ask the DOCTOR, is for a ICD 10 code ... which they MUST HAVE .... why? Right totally for billing purposes.

So you see it is not MY fault the Topic is placed incorrectly. As a Hospital person, I KNOW WHY, they code them! Not to identify the disease process ... the disease is Mental illness, but for insurance and TREATMENT, the outward manifestation must be known, for appropriate Billing and treatment plan options? Do you understand this? Not asking for your agreement, just asking if your beginning to understand the flow of the topic requirements to achieve the most accurate answer!
Posted by Rupleix 6 months ago
Rupleix
The Contender is wandering away from the topic. We are not talking about financial codes, but the illness itself.
Posted by Arganger 6 months ago
Arganger
I want to challenge you to this again, seeing how I forgot about it.

"FollowerofChrist1955 is not accepting debate challenges at this time." is what is says. I would appreciate it if you fixed that. Any way check the debate challenges and It will be there.
Posted by canis 6 months ago
canis
You had sex with a ckicken ?
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