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George_H_Taylor
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Diversity is a Weakness to White Nations and non-European Immigration Should be Stopped

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Started: 6/27/2014 Category: Politics
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George_H_Taylor

Pro

One of the most dangerous myths in American society today is that diversity is some sort of strength to be celebrated, rather than a source of tension. Whether it be cultural, racial, religious, or linguistic, diversity is a source of conflict, not a strength to be embraced. All around the world everywhere you look, those places where people are slaughtering each other most diligently are places with some sort of diversity.

Humans are by nature tribal animals, and thus prefer to associate with others like themselves. Diversity is something unnatural to humans, it only comes by force and must be strictly enforced and preached for it to work out in the slightest bit, and even then it doesn't. The proof is in the pudding, if diversity was such a great thing that America should be celebrating, it would come to us naturally and we wouldn't need all this diversity training and indoctrination. The fact is, if you fill the United States with people as unlike each other as possible; religiously, linguistically, racially, culturally; there is bound to be conflict, and it is not to be celebrated, rather it needs to be stopped.

One thing that needs to be adjusted to fix the United States' problem with diversity is our immigration policy. Up until around 1965 we had an immigration policy designed to keep the country majority European. This is a good thing because people of European descent (white people) tend to assimilate better due to having similar cultures, religions, and languages. Our founding fathers even took pride in the fact that this nation was built by and inhabited by people so alike to each other.

Essentially, the idea that filling a nation with people as different from each other as possible is a good thing is absolutely absurd.
AdamLanza-AmericanHero

Con

"One of the most dangerous myths in American society today is that diversity is some sort of strength to be celebrated, rather than a source of tension."

Myths aren't dangerous. They're just tales that people may make bad decisions off of. American society has always and will always be a diverse society. The first people that came here were diverse and even the white men that came here are diverse. You have micks, guineas, krauts, frogs, guidos, cannucks, aussies, ruskis, pollacks, and all kinds of white vermin. Man kind has been killing each other for a long time and it doesn't stop when people have the same skin color and speak the same ching chong language.

"All around the world everywhere you look, those places where people are slaughtering each other most diligently are places with some sort of diversity."

Japan has no diversity outside of different sub-cultures of Japanese and absolutely no immigration but, I would like you to explain to me why, if they are so great by having little to no diversity, are they dying off faster than they are being born? They have an abhorrent amount of elderly and not enough young people to take care of them. Why are places like Canada, that have moderate diversity so productive and peaceful?

"Humans are by nature tribal animals, and thus prefer to associate with others like themselves. Diversity is something unnatural to humans, it only comes by force and must be strictly enforced and preached for it to work out in the slightest bit, and even then it doesn't. The proof is in the pudding, if diversity was such a great thing that America should be celebrating, it would come to us naturally and we wouldn't need all this diversity training and indoctrination."

Of course humans like to associate with people who are like themselves. You wouldn't want to hang out with someone who didn't share the same interests as you, right? Diversity is quite natural to humans. Everyone is different in some, way, shape or form and ever human unconsciously strives to make themselves unique as to define themselves as one among many. Strictly enforced? Who is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to diversify? The tighty whities in the KKK have their little social clubs out in the trailer parks and backwoods of the nation and they seem to be doing pretty well until they are compared to somewhere like LA, or New York, or Boston which thrive off of diversity. The proof is in the pudding? What pudding? Sugar free snack packs? I'm sorry, I'm not a diabetic. No one trains you in diversity nor do they indoctrinate you in it. You're not being forced. You remind me of the English - Colonize a quarter of the world and then complain about immigrants. Your ancestors were immigrants and don;t you ever forget that.

"The fact is, if you fill the United States with people as unlike each other as possible; religiously, linguistically, racially, culturally; there is bound to be conflict, and it is not to be celebrated, rather it needs to be stopped."

Of course there will be conflict but, do we stop immigration just because a few people don't like each other? Do we stop kids coming to school when teachers and other kids don't like them? No. We deal with th problem, not the symptoms. You punish the bullies and support the victims and teach people not to act like animals. You wouldn't last one day in the military or a prison - two of the most American things there are.

"One thing that needs to be adjusted to fix the United States' problem with diversity is our immigration policy. Up until around 1965 we had an immigration policy designed to keep the country majority European. This is a good thing because people of European descent (white people) tend to assimilate better due to having similar cultures, religions, and languages. Our founding fathers even took pride in the fact that this nation was built by and inhabited by people so alike to each other. "

Our founding fathers came from many different walks of life, cultures, heritages, and families. They also didn't found this country on religious principles, with the only mention of religion in the constitution outside the Bill of Rights being that the government shall have no religious affiliation. Our founding fathers also hated each other, with a passion. They almost all disagreed on any and every subject and would even come to blows at times during debates. The "alikeness" that you speak of is the accords the our founding fathers came up with. They found common ground and agreements among all of them that lead this nation to what it has become. I don't see you complaining about all the spear chucking savages they brought over the Atlantic to work in the fields and clean their piss pots and neither am I.

"Essentially, the idea that filling a nation with people as different from each other as possible is a good thing is absolutely absurd."

I really don't see what is so absurd. What a lot of people don't realize is that Europeans used to come over to the US and got spit on by the children of Europeans and assimilated Europeans themselves. Irish were considered subhuman along with Italians and most other white immigrants.
Debate Round No. 1
George_H_Taylor

Pro

"The first people that came here were diverse and even the white men that came here are diverse. You have micks, guineas, krauts, frogs, guidos, cannucks, aussies, ruskis, pollacks, and all kinds of white vermin"

You're correct in saying that the Europeans that came here are more or less diverse, but not in the way this nation is today. They were all from Europe, almost all speaking indo-European languages, shared fairly similar cultures, and for the most part were all Christian. That is precisely the reason that up until 1965 we had an immigration policy designed to keep the country European. The term "Cultural melting pot" was used long before we were letting central Americans into our country I assure you.

"Man kind has been killing each other for a long time and it doesn't stop when people have the same skin color and speak the same ching chong language."

Sure mankind has been killing each other for a long time, but diversity certainly adds to the problem. Everywhere you look in the world though, the places with the most violence and slaughter are places where diverse populations are in conflict with each other: South Africa, the Middle East, etc. Even in our own borders, prisons are separated based on race because race riots break out so often. So you're correct in saying the end of diversity wont be the end of violence, however it only adds to it, further proving my point that it is a weakness, not a strength.

"Japan has no diversity outside of different sub-cultures of Japanese and absolutely no immigration but, I would like you to explain to me why, if they are so great by having little to no diversity, are they dying off faster than they are being born? They have an abhorrent amount of elderly and not enough young people to take care of them."

The dwindling native population of Japan has absolutely nothing to do with its lack of diversity, the problem is with their birth rates. Importing millions of Somalis into Japan wont make the Japanese breed more, it will only make their numbers drop faster. Since you brought up Japan though, I should state that one of the reasons Japan is such a prosperous, safe, and happy country is because of how homogeneous it is. The native population can relate to each other, they get along with each other, all because they share the same culture, race, and for the most part; religion. Hence they are a productive and peaceful country.

"Diversity is quite natural to humans. Everyone is different in some, way, shape or form and ever human unconsciously strives to make themselves unique as to define themselves as one among many."

I can assure you diversity is not natural to humans. If it were, then virtually every school in the US wouldn't fail the lunch room litmus test. If it were, then 85% of churches in the US wouldn't be 95% one race. The fact is, people like to associate with people as similar to them as possible, and among those similarities, race is one of the most important. Just as one feels closer to his own child than to the child of the strangers, without necessarily having animosity towards the strangers child, one can feel closer to ones own race, without having any animosity towards another.

"Strictly enforced? Who is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to diversify?"
Affirmative action, race quotas, and anti-discrimination laws to name a few.

"Your ancestors were immigrants and don;t you ever forget that."
I can assure you my ancestors weren't immigrants to the United States of America, they were pioneers. There was no United States when my ancestors got here.

Of course there will be conflict but, do we stop immigration just because a few people don't like each other?
A few people? Do only a few people participate in race riots? Are only a select few people victims of interracial crime? How many people are victims of war due to religious differences in the Middle East? Just a few?

"You punish the bullies and support the victims and teach people not to act like animals."
So you intend to push onto the American people something unnatural, unwanted, and unnecessary to them, and when they cant get with it you're going to punish them? Seems rational to me....

"The "alikeness" that you speak of is the accords the our founding fathers came up with. They found common ground and agreements among all of them that lead this nation to what it has become."
Yet they were the same race, spoke the same language, shared the same religion and culture, and more importantly had the same goals in mind. Do you think La Raza has the same goals for the US as the founding fathers did? Different races have different interests, and today the interests of certain races seem to be coming before the interests of this nation.

"Europeans used to come over to the US and got spit on by the children of Europeans and assimilated Europeans themselves. Irish were considered subhuman along with Italians and most other white immigrants."
Yet after 3 or 4 generations they are nearly indistinguishable from the rest of the population, they have totally blended in, meaning: their incomes, dependence on government programs, likelihood to marry outside of their original ethnicity, among other things, are on par or even above non immigrants. This isn't the case with the central Americans we're importing, it isn't the case with the blacks that have been here so long, and frankly it isn't the case with any non-European immigrant group, save maybe the east Asians.

I challenge you to point out a couple of things that the US stands to gain from racial diversity. Hard mode: without mentioning ethnic food and music
AdamLanza-AmericanHero

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
George_H_Taylor

Pro

George_H_Taylor forfeited this round.
AdamLanza-AmericanHero

Con

AdamLanza-AmericanHero forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Zarroette 2 years ago
Zarroette
If you import 3rd World people, you import 3rd World problems. Not all diversity is good. Somalian diversity has absolute anarchy. I don't want that filth in my country.
Posted by Pascaliwag 2 years ago
Pascaliwag
wow...just wow...really? Diversity is not a weakness. The reason for the issues that we have in society are due to the supression of cultural identity brought along by the notion that other cultures must "assimilate" in order to be American. However, what is american? It is a socially constructed identity and that for the most part is labeled as all inclusive. The words engraved on the statue of liberty did not say, ""Give me your Anglo-saxon tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." in fact, there is not mention of race. Yes, by the creation of racial oriented white americans, we for a time believed that certain races were to be kept out. For instance, until the 1960's we had strict immigration laws pertaining to asians which was largely fueled by western gold miners and workers. We had strict laws of segregation which was overturned in the 1960's as well. But as we've matured as a nation, we've learned that it is a moral obligation to treat people openly and without prejudice. We should be the shining example of what society should strive to be. A nation that is not only tolerant of other views but embraces new ideas. If your sor tof backwards thinking that casues the issues we have with race as why would a person of color or ethnicity trust you when they know deep down that you think them inferior? At the center of all of our hearts is a person who wishes nothing but the best for themselves and their families. there is no creed, no race, no gender, no sexual orientation that could ever change that.
Posted by YYW 2 years ago
YYW
So fvcking tempted to take this, but I'm traveling soon so not going to be able to make it work.
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