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David92506
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Do Pretty Women Have It Easier In Life?

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Started: 1/9/2016 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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David92506

Pro

All through college it seems like the beautiful women had it so much easier. Men would offer tutoring, give them old exams, some teachers played favorites. They got into all the parties for free, men would buy them gifts. It seemed like everything was offered to them. When I was in the military, the attractive women automatically got promoted to the Colonel's department, or other high ranking official.

In dating, the pretty women got to "pick and choose." Life was all about them and they found men who did what they asked. If they financially screw up in life, there was always some guy to bail them out.
Petfish

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for opening this debate. To win, it seems like I only have to affirm that pretty women do not necessarily have it easier in life. It seems fit to start with an opening statement myself.

Argument 1: All Women have innate biological obstacles that men are not hindered by.

1a: It seems to be harder for women to build upper body strength. An article published in Applied Psychology indicates that women tend to have a larger body fat percentage than men. The authors write, "Studies indicate that men generally have larger and stronger muscles than women."[1]

1b: The biological processes of pregnancy and/or menstruation physically burden almost all women, not men. The permanent and temporary side effects of pregnancy are well-documented. Some of the expected side effects of pregnancy include difficulty sleeping, bleeding gums, or increased headaches.[2] The negative physical effects of menstruation are also well-documented.[3]

Argument 2: Women were generally treated as inferior to men historically. Women had fewer rights than men in the past.

2a: Women have been not allowed to participate in politics in the way men have. In America, black men were allowed to vote before women. [4]

2b: As witnesses, women do not have the same rights as men in Islamic law. In the Quran, we read that either the testimony of two men or a man and two women is acceptable, but not two women alone. The reasoning behind this law is that a single woman might be forgetful. [5] I believe that this verse unfairly discriminates against women.

Argument 3: There is no reason to believe that these arguments should only apply towards ugly women.

I take it as obvious that some women in history were pretty. I believe my opponent will agree that some women in history were physically attractive, and were discriminated against. If pro does not agree to this, then I believe that it is more likely that pro is using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy rather than basing his argument on a personal subjective opinion of beauty.

Now about my opponent"s opening case. My opponent uses bold assertions and some anecdotal arguments to support his claim. These are both well-known logical fallacies, and do not need to be addressed in depth.

I have not brought up an innumerable amount of other factors that continue to harm women more than men (such as rape). Until pro provides a reasonable case, I think we can assume, based on current inductive reasoning, that pretty women probably have a harder time than men.

Sources for further reading:
[1] http://link.springer.com...
[2] http://www.thelizlibrary.org...
[3] http://www.womenshealth.gov...
[4] http://www.kqed.org...
[5] http://quran.com...
Debate Round No. 1
David92506

Pro

I understand your argument. Plus, no one escapes the sufferings of life. No matter how good looking, how tall, how wealthy, etc... no one escapes it. So in that respect life isn't easier just because someone is good looking.

However, I did read studies that show, in our current society (USA), good looking people do have it easier in many different ways. I posted these links below.

https://www.youtube.com...
https://www.youtube.com...
http://www.businessinsider.com...
http://www.therichest.com...
https://www.psychologytoday.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
Petfish

Con


Thank you, David92506.


Now when my opponent says, “So in that respect life isn't easier just because someone is good looking.” But it seems that he is simply conceding the point. All my arguments still stand as valid, and the BOP is still on my opponent to disprove my opening statements.


Pro has made the fallacy of shifting the goalposts during the debate. [1] Remember, we are not arguing if attractive people have it easier in life, we are arguing if pretty women have it easier in life. I currently state that on general, pretty women usually have a more difficult time than men in life.


I’d like to offer a kritic to my opponent. The last argument pro provided was just a list of links, devoid of any personal opinions or thoughts. Now it seems to me that this is just poor debate etiquette. In fact, most of these links are not relevant, because they mostly talk about pretty people, not pretty women in particular.


Additionally, these sources are not very professional. For instance, Dina Spector makes multiple fallacies about subjectivity and objectivity. She states, “Beauty is not subjective. Contrary to popular belief, men and women generally agree on who is and who is not physically attractive, even across different cultures.” [2]


But this is an obviously faulty line of reasoning. Shared opinions do not make something objective. More people might like the color blue than red; that does not mean that blue is better than red. Additionally, she poorly worded her title. Scientific studies cannot prove that something is better because it is a value judgement. To make a value judgement, you need philosophical proof, not scientific. I have to dismiss this article and articles like this as garbage.


The one source that did talk about pretty women in particle was a video by TheYoungTurks. But this video only focuses on 21 men. On average, these men decided to give women more money. But this was the men’s own choice, and does not prove anything inherently easier about being beautiful.


Finally, I just have to say that there is no comparison between receiving a small sum of money and spending 3,500 days of my life menstruating.[3] I believe pro has no good arguments as of right now.


Sources:


[1] http://rationalwiki.org...


[2] http://www.businessinsider.com...


[3] http://facts.randomhistory.com...


Debate Round No. 2
David92506

Pro

I meant to concede in my last post because my initial claim was too broad. I should have been more specific. For example, in western society, particularly the USA, it seems that good looking people have it easier than the rest. And then give the links. I thought I already conceded but realize I didn't.

So I concede this debate.
Petfish

Con

Better luck next time!
Debate Round No. 3
David92506

Pro

David92506 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
David92506

Pro

David92506 forfeited this round.
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