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Do homosexuals deserve to be stoned to death?

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Started: 6/4/2018 Category: Religion
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Justin108

Con

Leviticus 20:13
13 "If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

Do homosexuals deserve to be stoned to death? And before answering with "but it's the Old Testament", do you believe that homosexuals used to deserve being stoned to death before Jesus changed the rules?
FollowerofChrist1955

Pro

I accept this debate as the most qualified to answer such a statement. We shall presume you have an ulterior motive, that notwithstanding. Though you clearly KNOW the answer based on TODAYS, scriptures. You obviously DO NOT understand it! Or you would realize the topic is a Foolish question as the correct answer never changed, merely the responsibilities of punishment! Thus redundant. That is to say what Humanity Deserves HAS never changed!

The answer is Yes, for then and YES for today! Of Course, you speak with ambiguous statements. Only to Gods people The JEW (before Christ entrance into the World). But to God? There is no change even today! WE are simply removed from our responsibility of punishments.

The Jew/Pharisee, Sadducee. To them the LAW was straight forward and binding. Though not restricted to Homosexuals. You could just as easily been stoned to Death, for Adultery, Working on the Sabbath, etc..

But let’s get to the actual definition of the question itself?

“Do homosexuals deserve to be stoned to death?” absolutely and this will wet your noodle … EVEN TODAY this IS TRUE.

But we are not given what WE DESERVE … we are given GRACE! Throughout the Church age only!

This is NOT subject to debate. The Law Mandated it. Not only that God required it and enforced it at that time. Today the Law having been fulfilled in Christ no longer pertains to Believers themselves. That having been said … the unbelievers sentence did not change … it merely is subject to Gods Right of punishment today. That means you go to HELLS FLAMES … and punishment is eternal!

The book of Levitical laws points out the punishment of refusal to comply with the Law. Gods Blessing WAS REMOVED, nothing worked right after that. No rich growth of Foods, No winning of conflicts in war, No rain for your crops etc..

Unlike today, Forgiveness was not the law of the Land. Then God punished immediately acts of disobedience of His own. Not so today. Achan violated Gods word to not possess the accursed thing, yet he disobeyed. God required the blood of His entire family, animals and possession’s to be stoned and BURNED. Till that WAS accomplished Israel would be Killed in any battle they engaged in.

So, what about today? Same God … Man nor 98% of Christians no longer FEAR God. That error will be corrected after the gathering and As to Humanity, it never feared God to begin with. … but that’s not the subject. The subject is that the Old Testament REVEALS the TRUE NATURE of God Believers no longer KNOW? That Nature has not changed!


Though they ALL categorically STATE God never changes, God is the same today and yesterday …. Yet they carry YESTERDAY back ONLY to Christ appearance! https://www.youtube.com... immature Christians have YET to comprehend to what degree is their error. They cannot See that The God who consumed Aarons 2 sons, Opened the Earth and Swallowed Dathan, his daughters, wives and possessions taking them ALIVE to hades, IS THE SAME God they serve today?

There is no Scripture where God surrendered HIS NATURE in Christ. On the contrary .. The return Demonstrates the LION that shall return, AND THE DESTRUCTION which brings about a full 2/3rds of the Human Races ANNIHILATION …. 5.2 BILLION DEAD in a 7 Year timespan!

Question? Does THIS SOUND like what the God Christians of TODAY PREACH? (Comments Christians?) dispute THIS if you dare! I mean the entire New Testament reflects we are to Follow GOD! Do as GOD requires, even Christ Himself stated Luke 22:42 "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

Romans 8:22 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Will the Christians be SPARED their disobedience, in view of this statement? Lest we forget- JUDGEMENT BEGINS with US! Sigh, Brothers/Sisters … may YOU awaken soon!

Revelation 8:7

Then the first angel sounded his trumpet, and hail and fire mixed with blood were flung to the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, along with a third of the trees and all the green grass.

Revelation 8:9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Zechariah 13:8

And in all the land," declares the LORD, "two-thirds will be cut off and perish, but a third will be left in it.

You don’t agree that they deserve stoning based on ignorance and stupidity. The Condition, not the insult. You See you proceed from a FALSE assumption. You Don’t actually BELIEVE there IS a God or YOU don’t KNOW God. That’s obvious.

The simple fact of the matter is that EVEN TODAY …. The answer to your QUESTION would STILL BE YES! The Christians would argue but like many things they would still be wrong! You see the Statement that God NEVER CHANGES, clears your question up quite nicely! DO Homosexuals DESERVE to be stoned? Yes, even NOW they deserve it, just like Adulterers and Murders also DESERVE stoning, deserving hasn’t changed. Anyway just as THEY deserve it, Humanity deserves to go to HELL, and WILL go there.

The ONLY THING that changed was OUR REQUIREMENT to enact punishment for anything! THAT was removed by Christ Forgiveness. As Believers WE are NOT to seek punishment upon the unbelievers anymore! CHRIST reserves THAT RIGHT unto HIMSELF ALONE!

John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

Roman 12:19 never avenging yourselves, beloved; instead give place to wrath, for it has been written: "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

Revelation 20:11-13 1 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [a]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

Question? WHO is this that SITS upon the Throne? Yessss it’s JESUS. The one YOU misrepresent! Isn’t it?

Debate Round No. 1
Justin108

Con

Two follow-up questions

1. Do you feel joy when someone gets what they deserve?
2. If you had a gay son and the community wanted to stone him, would you object? Or would you let it happen?
FollowerofChrist1955

Pro

Ohhh, yesss how wonderful the plight of emotion. Pity the Drunkard, who kills a family by drinking and driving too? What of your Loved one who is dying from AIDS, yes we must'n blame his lifestyle, after all he IS dying isn't he? Pity the rapist, who couldn't help hmself ... after all the girl deserved it, didn't she, look at the way she dresses?
Let us not forget to pardon the Murderer, he had a poor upbringing, he was abused by his parents He simply couldn't stop his anger from overflowing when he butchered or Shot that 19 year old? I mean any ONE of us could be in the same shoes someday mightn't we?
Oh forget about pressing charges on those who broke in to that old couples house murdering the occupants ... the were drug addicts and everyone knows withdrawal can kill a person, they had no choice they NEEDED that drug.
Release the pedophile, He had a abusive father, AND WAS sexually abused himself, is it a wonder he raped that 3 year old, killing her? I mean he HAD a tough life? Didn't He?
Why stone him, he will die of AIDS anyway or GIVE AIDS to hundreds even thousands by cross contamination, I mean I'm not gay so why should I care what THEY do? Remember herpies? Here a little something for your troubles .... a thanks for the memories!
Yes, indeed I see you point .... Do YOU?
Roman 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

wanna feel sorry for someone? Feel sorry for the Suicides ... caused by loose living. the other day a 14 year old left school walked out into an field and Shot herself in the head ... and WHY? She found out she was Bisexual. Dd you get that? She was BI-sexual? 14? she SHOULD NOT have been ANY KIND OF SEXUAL! SIN DID THAT! of what USE is your pity NOW?

so spare me your pity potty. SIN KILLS, SIN destroys, SIN murders, rapes, steals, beats, hates, LUSTS. SIN NEVER LOVES!
Dead people are NEVER SORRY? Dead people are just DEAD! ..... DEAD!

question though, since your all touchy feely at this moment? Revelation 14: 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
Why don't YOU CARE that that Homosexual will spend eternity in this place? You too belong to Satan, you too will go here? You demonstrate no concern for spending eternity in this place? You merely show concern that you be allowed to sin whenever YOU LIKE?

No worries ... God says you CAN, just like that Homosexual .... BUT He reminds you that should you CHANGE your MIND about going to Hell, He sacrificed His son, on a Cross, that YOU would not HAVE to go to Hell. Today ... the Homosexuals and YOU chose HELL. I stand by your right to chose! But don't try to sell crazy to me? I know better.

I live in Reality, you obviously don't. See, DEATH? doesn't CARE how long you WANT to Live. Life doesn't depend on YOU at all. You can prune juice and eat right all your days, and die of a car crash, a stray bullet, one of those People your trying to feel sorry for who happens to need money for a fix and is coming up BEHIND YOU some dark night!

Well, I can't save that Homosexual, or rapist or murder, or thief or pervert ... and I know that their going TO HELL the second they die. I can't stop them from feeding their perverse flesh, or their Greed, I can just let them KNOW the COST. and point them to someone who CAN Help and SAVE them.

What YOU don't realize? is That YOUR PITY while they all go to HELL, is NOT what they need! They need you to guide them to someone who can HELP THEM, SAVE THEM. They already KNOW they have the RIGHT to go to Hell. They NEED to know there IS A WAY OF RESCUE!

Do us a favor STOP helping them DIE in their SIN? If you can't help save them? OK, but don't help KILL THEM with your emotionalism over brains.
Debate Round No. 2
Justin108

Con

Can you point out where in your rant you actually answered my two questions? A simple yes or no answer to the following two questions

1. Do you feel joy when someone gets what they deserve?
2. If you had a gay son and the community wanted to stone him, would you object?
FollowerofChrist1955

Pro

I trust your audience is less closed minded. I of course am not placed here to see that YOU get it, nor to do the work FOR you. The answer lies in the response, you want to know? Study it!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 1 week ago
whiteflame
That's written incorrectly, should say "removed" and "reason for removal".
Posted by whiteflame 1 week ago
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>Reported vote: Jhhillman// Mod action: NOT Removed<

5 points to Con (Conduct, S&G, Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: Con actually suggested logic arguments. Pro didn't. Clear win to con. Pro used hat speech, losing conduct point. Pro also had random capitalization, losing spelling point. Neither had any sources other than the Bible.

[*Reason for non-removal*] (1) Arguments are insufficiently explained. The voter is required to specifically assess arguments presented by both sides in the debate. Claiming that one side made logical arguments while the other did not is not specific. (2) Conduct is insufficiently explained. Even if one side used "hat speech," it must be clarified what that hate speech was specifically. (3) S&G is insufficiently explained. The voter is required to show how one side"s arguments were difficult to understand as a result of how they are written. Random capitalization doesn"t clearly meet that threshold.
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Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 1 week ago
FollowerofChrist1955
3dogsandaguy;
Uhhh .... Mcfly?
I HAVE LISTED complete SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE submitted by, 1858 Alfred Russel Wallace,1859 " Charles Darwin,1861 " Louis Pasteur,1863 " Gregor Mendel,1892 " Dmitri Ivanovsky,1915 J. B. S. Haldane ,1928 " Griffith, 1928 " Alexander Fleming,1943 " Oswald Avery,1944 " Barbara McClintock ,1950 Soviet biologist Georgy Shaposhnikov,1951 " George Otto Gey ,1952 " Alfred Hershey & Martha Chase ,1952 - Frederick Sanger,1953 " Stanley L. Miller & Harold C. Urey,1953 " Rosalind Franklin,1958 " Meselson"Stahl ,1960 " B. F. Skinner's,1964 Theodosius Dobzhansky,1965 " Leonard Hayflick,1966 Richard Lewontin ,1968 Geerat J. Vermeij ,1971 John O'Keefe,1971 Stuart Kauffman,1972 Stephen Jay Gould,1973 Eric Charnov,1976 Richard Dawkins,1977 - Frederick Sanger,1978 Michael Ghiselin ,1983 " Kary Mullis,1985 Peter R. Grant, Nancy A. Moran,1988, Richard Lenski's,1995 - Eric Cornell, Carl Wieman and Wolfgang Ketterle ,1996 " Roslin Institute,1998, Theodore Garland, Jr,2001 " The first draft of the Human Genome Project ,2005 Jared Diamond,2005 " Edvard Moser and May-Britt Moser,2006 - Shinya Yamanaka ,2008 Margie Profet ,2010 " J. Craigs, 2010 - The Neanderthal Genome Project,2011 Marc Hauser.

ALL proving NO LIFE WAS FORMED by natural Means!
That you and yours are too bereft of competence in the understanding of the English language and incapable of reason, logic and common sense, is hardly MY fault.

That people who demand being given credit for intelligence yet demonstrate stupidity of epic magnitude, as to be UNABLE to comprehend that Bacteria LEFT ALONE in the HISTORY of humanity has NEVER GONE ON TO form trees, grasses, plants and animals ... which prove these things CANNOT exist naturally on Earth and by REASON OF PRESENCE prove conclusively these things REQUIRED CREATION by a super intelligence, as yet unknown to 85% of the planet.

is simply NOT MY problem?
Posted by 32doni32nido32 1 week ago
32doni32nido32
@InsaneScreeching
I couldn't find any satisfying answer to your second question, but in the New Testament, it says that Jesus viewed both of the sexes as being equal (Galatians 3:28). Maybe this can give you some idea of why it doesn't apply today? I'm not certain myself but I will continue to look.

For the other questions, I have a few answers myself but will need to look into it more. If you want to hear what I find, I will be happy to share.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 1 week ago
32doni32nido32
@InsaneScreeching
I can answer the first one. Not wearing mixed fabrics was a ceremonial law which no longer needed to be followed after Jesus came to fulfill the laws.
If that's not a good enough answer, maybe from a historical sense it might be.
There's nothing to show that ancient Israel cultivated cotton, and they obviously didn't have the synthetics to create nylon or polyester. This leaves wool and linen. Wool, as I hope you know, is collected from animals like sheep and goats during that time. Linen is made from fibers contained in the stalk of the flax plant.
But this was not a moral law. The ephod of the high priest was made from a combination of wool and linen, weaving them together. This may have been a law as a form of a sort of prohibition to separate the priest from the people to show people how holy God is.
Hittie laws forbade planting different kinds of seed in the same field, so it appears that mixing certain things was only for sacred purposes.
Hope this helps!
Posted by 32doni32nido32 1 week ago
32doni32nido32
@Shadowstalker55
Actually, it's completely possible he's not a troll; people with little to no life experience can easily act in the manner that @FollowerofChrist1955 because they have had no chance to mature and grow as a person.
Although, he may just be stupid. After all, it's not an insult, it's the human condition (as he claims). It takes one to know one.

Besides, people are insane. Far too many.
Posted by ArguingPerson123 1 week ago
ArguingPerson123
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

Gay sex is not like other sins. Other sins usually cause someone or something to suffer without justification. If it is gay rape, for example, that makes sense to call it a sin. However, if no harm is done to humanity, it makes no sense that there would be anything wrong with gay sex, even if it is not part of "God's plan."
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 1 week ago
FollowerofChrist1955
arguingperson123;
everything zhaod1 stated is 100% accurate, especially that Homosexuals are just another KIND of sinner neither worse nor better than you for example, and provided they REPENT and TURN from that sin, they certainly can be forgiven ... receive the Holy Spirit, which will ENABLE them to successfully turn from all manner of sin including Homosexual sin!

the same forgiveness IS available to you?
Posted by zhaod1 1 week ago
zhaod1
arguingperson123
Actually, the Bible never taught us to hate gay people. The Bible shows us to be intolerable of gay ACTS, not gay people. In addition, according to the Bible, if gay people commit gay acts, then they are worthy of death. However, everyone who sins is worthy of death, and it's only by God's mercy and grace that he would forgive us and let believers have eternal enjoyment. It's true that gay people are much more tempted by Satan to commit gay acts, but it's not an excuse. Just like how some people are more prone to violence, doesn't justify them from hitting or killing someone. But don't worry, since gay people can still go to heaven if they take Christ as their savior.
Posted by ArguingPerson123 1 week ago
ArguingPerson123
Not saying gays are bad, just that their difference is biological and out of their control. It is not a conscious choice.
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