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FREETHINKER7
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Mikal
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Do u think girls are also responsible, in some sense, for the sexual assault on them?

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Mikal
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Started: 8/22/2013 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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FREETHINKER7

Pro

in-spite of knowing that wearing small clothes creates a negative image and sexually excites some men, some girls do wear such short explicit clothes for exposure..
as a result, men with limited thinking, or under alcohol intoxication, do sexual assault on girls.
Don't u think that somehow girls are also responsible for this, because in-spite of knowing the potential hazards, they continue to wear revealing dresses..

well, i didnt say girls are totally responsible .. i said , in some sense..
its basic principle, u can't expect a hungry tiger to not to eat you if you go close to him , or until the tiger is under the control of the ring master..

imagine if all the laws were made null and void for a single day , what would happen?
we all know rapes do happen in closed and empty places.. would u expect a women in swimsuit to pass through a street where there is no police or security? and come out safe?

the fact is_ law is beholding everyone..
otherwise only one natural rule applies.. "survival of the fittest"

y is it that most rapist already know the victim ?
well, u see, this world is such a paradox, on one side u find such a revealing class of girls, so ready to get "naughty".. in Hollywood, in porn industries, in other medias.. And on the other side you find girls you know ,
with whom, you have to keep a relationship, they are very different from the former ones..

so, dont u think that this "exposing tradition" of some women has caused some poor,innocent girls to suffer..?

i apologize if i had offended anyone.. i had no offense intended..
Mikal

Con

I will take this debate

Pro is stating that "Girls are responsible in some ways for sexual assaults that happen to them".

There are a few ways in which we need to gauge this and I will offer them up in my following contentions. I will also offer rebuttals to some of Pros statements along with making my own points.



Contention 1

The way a girl dresses can warrant a sexual assault.


Pro states this

"in-spite of knowing that wearing small clothes creates a negative image and sexually excites some men, some girls do wear such short explicit clothes for exposure,as a result, men with limited thinking, or under alcohol intoxication, do sexual assault on girls. Don't u think that somehow girls are also responsible for this, because in-spite of knowing the potential hazards, they continue to wear revealing dresses.."



This does not warrant a sexual assault regardless. Hypothetically even if nudity were allowed, men would still not have the right to rape a woman.

I read this and the first line of logic that came into my head was this. This is what pro is essentially saying.

This restaurant makes really good food.
Since there are people that like food and would rob for this reason
The restaurant is somehow potentially responsible for causing a robbery if it were to happen.


The prime intent in rape is the feeling the rapist gets from being in control or being dominant over the person he/she is raping. Most rapes happen when a woman is vulnerable or is picked because he/she is thought to be unable to defend themselves. In some rare cases, women can try to rape men. Notice this is normally where a teenage girl or young adult, will try to sexually abuse a boy younger than her. It happens a lot in babysitting scenarios.

Take a look at this fact

"Men are sexually assaulted. Any man can be sexually assaulted regardless of size, strength, appearance, or sexual orientation. Approximately 92,700 men are raped each year in the United States, according to statistics from the Illinois Attorney General’s office."

Also a study as to why rapes occur says this

"Rapists look for easy, vulnerable targets. Thinking that women provoke attacks against them by the way they dress transfers blame from the perpetrator to the victim. Research shows that this particular myth helps others feel better because they think that rape couldn’t happen to them."

This is a proven fact as well. Most women tend to throw this line of logic around, because it eases the assumption that they could be a possible target or victim of rape. Thinking if they dress appropriately, they will be targeted because they are not wearing provocative clothing.

http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk...
http://www.kansas.com... ( A case where a 76 year old lady was raped in her home after a robbery)


Contention 2

Anyone can be raped

This shows that women who chose not to dress provocatively can be raped as well. The truth is anyone can be raped, the crime itself does not discriminate. As I have previolsy stated, most of the time rapes occur because of the desire for that person to be control. Also a high majority of women are shown to be raped at some point within their life.

A recent study shows this

"In the United States, one in six women reported experiencing an attempted or completed rape at some time in their lives, according to the Centers for Disease Control. For women in college, 20 percent to 25 percent claim to have been victims of sexual violence."

In complete honesty saying a women could cause this, shifts responsibility away from the person whom is choosing to commit this act. However they dress, look, or decide where to go, they should be able to do so without fear of being sexually assaulted. Rapes occur in all types of victims. Whether it be gender, how they dress, what size they are, what ethnicity they are, there is no bias as to who gets raped. The leading studies show as I have already mentioned show this revolves around dominance.

Here are some more statistics on sexual attacks that happen. It shows it extends far beyond just women.



Statistics on Females

* Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.(U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey)

*1 out of 6 women have been victims of rape or attempted rape in their lifetime. (National Institute of Justice & Centers for Disease Control & Prevention.)

*38% of women who have been raped were ages 14-17. (PSU)

*60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. (U.S. Department of Justice)

*73% of sexual assaults were committed by a non-stranger. (U.S. Department of Justice)

*38% of rapists are a friend of acquaintance to the victim. (U.S. Department of Justice)

*92% of homeless women have experienced severe physical and or/sexual violence in their lifetime. (PCAR)

*Up to 38% of women identify sexual abuse as a reason for leaving their home. (PCAR)


Statistics on Males

*An estimated 92,700 men are forcibly raped each year in the United States. (Tjadn & Thoemmes, 1998)

*3% of American men have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. (Center of disease control)

*In 2003, 1 in every 10 rape victims was male. (U.S. Department of Justice)


Statistics on Children


*1 out of 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually assaulted by the time they are 18 years old. (Darkness to Light)

*15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12 and 44% are under age 18. (U.S. Department of Justice)

*93% of juvenile sexual assault victims know their attacker. (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics)

*Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual
assault (RAINN)


We can easily see these trends are not primarily because a women warrants a rape. It can occur to anyone, anytime, anywhere.




In Closing

My adversary must meet his BOP on this topic and show that women are responsible for the rapes that happen to them. I have shown statistics that rapes happen because of a sense of needing control or dominance. I even shown surveys and statistics that show this. I have even stated and shown how rapes can occur to anyone regardless of what color, race, religion, or size they are.





Debate Round No. 1
FREETHINKER7

Pro

First of all, i would like to thank you for participating in the debate and for putting up your points in such a systematic way, assisted with the facts and figures.

I realize that this is a bit controversial topic (and that's the reason it has been chosen as the topic of debate). And i have intentionally kept the total rounds to 5 , so that more clarifications and discussions can be done, if needed.

Con has made the following contention 1:
"The way a girl dresses can warrant a sexual assault.
This does not warrant a sexual assault regardless. Hypothetically even if nudity were allowed, men would still not have the right to rape a woman. "

i do not refute this argument, in Toto , because ideally speaking "even if nudity were allowed, men would still not have the right to rape a woman".
well, first of all , raping is never considered a right. actually it's an offence, and that's why we have punishments for this act of crime.
secondly, i have said in round 1 that "men with limited thinking, or under alcohol intoxication, do sexual assault on girls."
and as we know, in both these cases, at-least, man doesn't has a rightful judgmental capacity about the consequences of the act, rape is an impulsive action.It's an impulsive insanity, when the person can't decide what is right or wrong ,either under the influence of alcohol, or due to the sexual impulse arising from the wrong mindset.
So, a logical person, in sound mind, will never commit a rape. it is the unsoundness of mind of the rapist , at the moment , which leads to such a criminal act.
I wonder what sort of answers I would get if I were to ask, say:
"If a girl dressed in a bikini would rub her entire body with a mixture of milk and honey (because it's said to be rejuvenating for the skin), and then lies down in the garden, got attacked by a swarm of bees -- would she be responsible, in some sense, for the bees attacking?

Let's ask a few more related questions:
1) Did the girl ASK to be attacked by the bees?
2) Did the girl DESERVE to be attacked by the bees?
I guess most people would say "no" to both.

3) Did the girl's action increase her chance of such an attack?
Yes... for sure. Not even worth disputing!

And that's exactly what i am saying .
Their actions , in some sense , sends a wrong signal to the perverted rapist.

Con has made the following contention 2:
"In complete honesty saying a women could cause this, shifts responsibility away from the person whom is choosing to commit this act."

well, i never said that women could "cause" this (rape).
i have already made it clear in my argument , in the 6th line of round 1:
" i didn't say girls are totally responsible .. i said , in some sense.."

u see, that's logical, if we would have thought that girls are responsible for being raped, then in that scenario girls should have the punishment.
That is not the case, we hold the rapist responsible for this crime, both morally and legally.
"Responsible" would have to be a word that ranks highly in the top 10 of words that are perceived as most offensive. So much so that it throws most people off their mental balance and only look for ammunition to fire back.

Think about this random scenario:
Some door to door salesman enters your property and trips over your garden hose, causing himself some injury.
Then you get attacked with words, "you, the home owner, are RESPONSIBLE for his accident" and have to pay some insane amount of money for compensation and medical expenses.

That word "responsible" is going to hit you like a firm swing of a baseball bat at the back of your skull !!!

The same is happening here, when I use the word "responsible" in this context, people perceive it as an attack, which is we are getting mostly sarcastic or snarky type of comments.

MY CONTENTION 1 :
the difference between normal sex and rape and is that the latter is "against will".
for the 1st time ,say for a moment, lets see it from a man's POV (Point Of View).
i would like to clarify at the beginning that i am not justifying rape in any way. i consider it one of the worst crime ever.
but, its a fact of real life, so there must be a logic reason for it.
who is a rapist ? like all criminals, rapists are not born as rapists out of their mother's womb.

they are imbalanced, the normal psycho-social line which exists in society , is not clear in the mindset of such people.
they see as if they own the girls, as if girls are to be taken for granted.

And moreover, most of the times, rape is an impulsive action. when the person can't decide what is right or wrong , either under the influence of alcohol, or due to the sexual impulse arising from the wrong mindset.

Now, what do we generally do if we know that a certain person is of criminal mind or if a particular person is insane?
we call and notify the authority, like police or doctor, etc.

Rape is an impulsive insanity. no one knows when it can happen.
Now what should be done in such a scenario?
The answer is - Prevention.

MY CONTENTION 2 :

Its not about reducing a girl's "right to wear anything".
But some girls, do sometimes intentionally wear revealing explicit and filthy dresses. Just for fun or to get some more attention.
But when they do so, they also increases the chance of an assault. Look, you cant expect every man to be perfect, all the time.
There can be some who are , at the moment, not in a state of rightful judgement capacity.. and so they can be dangerous.

The bitter truth is, most of the rapes occur in closed places , and most of the rapist already know the victim.

what can be the reason for it?
the reason is simple, they are of imbalanced mindset about normal sexual relationship, and they impose their frustrated sexual feelings on someone , when they find a lonely place.
And why this frustration develops?
There can be many reasons, like stress, feeling of sexism, feeling of dominance or superiority over women.. but one reason can also be -the unnecessary exposure .

now, one may argument that if such is the case , then rape incidence should be least in Muslim countries , where veil (burqa) is prevalent. but paradoxically they have one of the highest rate of incidences.
well, its a well known fact that absence of strict law implementation is the chief cause of the higher rate of rape there. And it is due to male dominance.
now imagine, if the rate of rape is so high in Muslim countries ,even after veil system, if the girls there are allowed in swimsuits and two-piece. Won't the rape cases increase , as we already know that punishment for raping is not so strict there.
Where is the Money, for example say: a million dollars, has high probability of getting robbed?
From the most secured chamber of a highly secured bank.
or
From a house built in outskirts of a city. where no one leaves?

If a thief has information about the same amount of money is present at both the places, where would he prefer to go?

So, i am just suggesting that won't it be a little better if the so called "exposure industry" as shown in Hollywood, in porn industries, in other medias.. could have a bit of more control ?

I am really thankful to you again, for taking part in this debate and giving it time.
And am also impressed by your way of data and facts presentation.

hope to hear from you ,soon.
regards.
Mikal

Con

All of my adversaries contentions are focusing around a huge fallacy within the title of this debate alone. Notice he is claiming that a "girl can increase the probability of being raped by her actions". This could include what she wears or how she acts. For this statement to be true, if we removed all factors that a girl could do to "warrant" a rape as he calls it and a rape still occurred his contention is unfounded.

If a girl did nothing in order to increase a mans desire to rape her, would these rapes still happen? If this is the case, his claim is false. He is claiming that girls " are responsible in some sense" for what happens to then. As I have just stated, if we remove all the factors that he deems as increasing the probability of a rape occurring, and a rape were still to occur his claim is false.

We could even exam places such as Afghanistan, where a woman does nothing to warrant a sexual assault. She is clothed from foot to toe in a dress. She is not allowed to reveal her face. Yet rapes still occur even there. Even apart from the middle east we can apply this scenario to any country or any hypothetical place that we could invent. If a rape could occur the "outside factors" my adversary are eluding to are not present, his claim holds no water.

This story below can help explain that. Not only was a woman raped in the middle east, because she was raped she actually faced persecution. She could suffer jail time or marry her rapist and possibly face the death penalty because she was already married. Bear in mind this is one of the most conservative places in the world. Women are not even allowed to learn to read. If we took out america, and just look if rapes could occur in areas where they are required to wear conservative clothing, again his statement would be false.

http://www.cnn.com...



Rebuttal 1

" i have said in round 1 that "men with limited thinking, or under alcohol intoxication, do sexual assault on girls, rape is an impulsive action.It's an impulsive insanity"


This is just wrong. It is one of the biggest misconceptions revolving around rape. In no where or by any means is rape impulsive. In most circumstances it is pre-meditated. A rapist will pick a victim that he feels he can rape, and get away with it. Often hoping that she is the type not to say anything because of embarrassment or the type he can rape and not receive much a fight back. He also often makes illusions to girls being raped in dark places, or while walking home. This is not a fact either, and is false.

Take a look at these facts about rape

"Over 33% of rapes occur after an assailant has forced entry into a home. Over 50% of
rapes occur in a residence."

"Studies show that 50% of rapes are planned, not impulsive. This supports the view that rape is learned behavior and does not arise from biological need. Gratification comes from gaining power and control and discharging anger. This gratification is only temporary, so the rapist seeks another victim"

As we can see both of this claims about why rapes occur are false. They are not impulsive in most of the situation, and they actually occur in homes where the victim will plan and try to break into the house. Both of these assertions are just wrong.


http://health.uark.edu...


Rebuttal 2

"Now what should be done in such a scenario?
The answer is - Prevention."

I have already shown this claim to be wrong as well. It stems from my adversaries lack of understanding about the topic. You can not prevent a rape, or even decrease the probability of being raped. I have shown that most rapes do not occur because of how someone is dressed or how they act, but occur from a need for dominance and can happen to anyone or even anywhere. One of my sources have shown that , this even is focused around the myth of the title of this debate. That if women dress more conservatively, it will reduce the probability of a rape occurring. This is false, and my sources and statistics show this to be true. There is no way to reduce the probability of rapes occurring, they are picked by the rapist in accordance to how easily they think they may be able to get away with the crime. The only means of prevention in this type of circumstance, is to keep your doors and windows locked if you are at home alone. That would decrease the probability. The type of prevention my adversary is claiming, is the way in which they dress. I have already picked this apart and shown it to be an error within his line of thought.

He then claims this

"But some girls, do sometimes intentionally wear revealing explicit and filthy dresses. Just for fun or to get some more attention."

I have also shown this to be irrelevant. A girl can chose what she wishes to wear even if it is provocative. He then claims that is like throwing oil in a fire. Even by the statistics that I have shown and quoted alone we can see that 90 percent of rapes that occur do not happen to people whom wear this type of clothing. It happens in a home alone, when the rapist thinks he can get away with the crime.


Rebuttal 3

"The bitter truth is, most of the rapes occur in closed places , and most of the rapist already know the victim."

Half of this is true, half is not. Most rapist are friends with the victim they chose, this is a fact. When he says in "closed places", this is again eluding to the alleyway scenario. It is flat wrong. I have quoted statistics above to show, that it happens often when girls are home alone and have no way to defend themselves.


Rebuttal 4

"what can be the reason for it? the reason is simple, they are of imbalanced mindset about normal sexual relationship, and they impose their frustrated sexual feelings on someone , when they find a lonely place."

Again this is just wrong. Most rapes occur because of a need for dominance. This has nothing to do with sexual feelings, but just a need to control a victim in any way possible. Since sex is seen as a dominant way to control someone, this is often the method used. Look at it this way male dogs often hump other male dogs, to display purely dominance. This is not a sexual act but just a way to show who is in control. Rape occurs in the same way in the human world. It is a way for the rapist to say, I own you in the time period that I am doing this. Even going further, they normally never go to the same victim twice unless they know they can keep getting away with it. Almost in every situation they will chose someone rape them and move on to another target.


In Closing

I have shown why most of my adversaries claims are false. Most of his conceptions about rape are because of a lack of understanding as to why rapes happen. I have shown this through statistics and sources.

His resolution was not met.

Debate Round No. 2
FREETHINKER7

Pro

FREETHINKER7 forfeited this round.
Mikal

Con

extend arguments due to FF.

My adversary posted some remarks in the comment section, with it being hard to read before I respond to anything I will await for him to post it in the actual debate.

Until that time, extend all arguments
Debate Round No. 3
FREETHINKER7

Pro

FREETHINKER7 forfeited this round.
Mikal

Con

extend all arguments
Debate Round No. 4
FREETHINKER7

Pro

FREETHINKER7 forfeited this round.
Mikal

Con

extend arguments
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by dawndawndawndawn 3 years ago
dawndawndawndawn
are puppies responsible for being kicked?
Posted by FREETHINKER7 3 years ago
FREETHINKER7
well, I have cleared what I wanted to convey from my 1st post in round 1. And I have also refuted all of Con's contentions.
If Con still disagrees from my view, then I would like to hear some logical reasons.
Since, its Con's responsibility to logically refute Pro's statements, if he doesn't agrees with them.
Once again i would like to thank "MIKAL" for giving this debate so much of his time.
Thank You.
Posted by FREETHINKER7 3 years ago
FREETHINKER7
Con's Contention 6:
"The only means of prevention ~ decrease the probability."
I would like to point out that Con has said that this is the "ONLY" means of prevention!
But, it doesn't explains the wide variety in rape cases across the globe.
And moreover, i guess that generally its the Muslim females in Muslim areas who keep their doors closed most of the times,compared to any other area of the world , and besides, Muslim areas are some of the most populated areas in the world. (it's just a guess).
Con's Contention 7:
"The type of prevention my adversary is claiming, is the way in which they dress. "
Its a false blame .
First of all I never said that dressing completely would completely prevent sexual assault.
Secondly, I just used the word "prevention" , i never elaborated it as what type of prevention or how to prevent. Since "method of prevention of rape" is not the topic of this debate (it can become a topic of some other debate), therefore i didn't go into any details about the method of prevention.
But, Con has made a wrong interpretation again for the thing which i have never claimed !

Con's Contention 8:
""The bitter truth ~ the alleyway scenario."

I don't know why Con has interpreted "closed places" in a wrong way.
By the word "closed places" i wanted to denote to those places from where escape of the victim, at the time of assault , is difficult/not possible. Obviously, it also includes a home where victim and rapist are alone and there is no one to help the victim, and the victim cant escape easily, so I used the word "closed places" in that reference.
If Con has interpreted "closed places" as a place which is like an air packed, sealed room where no one can go or no one can come out, then i really apologize for the improper vocabulary.
Posted by FREETHINKER7 3 years ago
FREETHINKER7
The females are not given equal rights such as men. (i would say, in fact, women are considered far below a man.And why don't the women protest much against this? Because they have been brought up that way..From the childhood, they have seen their mothers , in veils, getting beaten up by their father , for almost no reason.. Well, that is a different topic of debate , so i won't go much into it)
Con has indirectly said in the contention number 3, that male dominance is the chief cause of sexual assault.
As a reference i would say that these maps somewhat clarifies the causes of rape enlisted @ Wikipedia: http://womanstats.org...

Con's Contention 4:
""Studies show that 50% of rapes are planned, not impulsive.~"
By this statement it also means that rest of the 50% rapes are impulsive, and not planned.
Okay, i agree that i was statistically 50% wrong in making that statement. i thank you for correcting me.
Con's Contention 5:
"You can not prevent a rape, or even decrease the probability of being raped."
"~most rapes....~ can happen to anyone or even anywhere."
I would disagree from the 1st statement,because if we can't even decrease the probability of rape incidences, then what's the need to make laws against rape?
About with the 2nd statement , i agree only to the first half of it .
Well, if rape can happen to anyone or even anywhere then all the females in the world should be equally prone to have a sexual assault (unless and until there isn't huge variation across the globe in so called "men's feeling of dominance!)
http://womanstats.org...
But it is not so..
Since sexual assault is multifactorial, the variation in law and their implementation, the socioeconomic conditions,the rituals and many other factors leads to the variation in rape incidences around the globe.
Posted by FREETHINKER7 3 years ago
FREETHINKER7
Con's contention 1:
"For this statement to be true ~ his contention is unfounded. "
It's as illogical as this: If "all X" belongs to "Y" , then it also means that "all Y" must also belong to "X".
I never said that only women are solely and exclusively responsible for the sexual assault, and every man is bound to follow her commands about when, where, and how to assault over her. And she is the one who exclusively directs whole of the procedure.
I never said so.

We all know that a girl's clothes are not an obvious cause of rape. The obvious and well known causes I have already described above.
So, even if we remove all the so called "factors that warrant rape" from the girl's side, still rape will occur , because its not the chief factor , the chief causes leading to sexual assault are enlisted above. And those will still remain.
Its a kind of multifactorial thing , so u can't just remove 1 of the less determining factor and be assured that, now rape won't happen.
Con's contention 2:
"We could even exam ~ still occur even there."
We all know that there is a higher incidence of rape in some of the Muslim predominant countries, even when they wear veils.
i have even mentioned this point in my post of round 2, which i would like to paste here too, in case Con may have missed to read it before making his contention.I have said :
"now, one may argument that if such is the case , then rape incidence should be least in Muslim countries ~ rape there. And it is due to male dominance"
Con's Contention 3:
"This story below ~ she was already married. "
This actually shows that in middle east, there is "high inequity in family laws and their practice"
They have a male dominant society, where all the laws are MOSTLY made by dominating men.
http://frontpagemag.com...
Female do not wear complete body veil as a choice, they are compelled to wear that , due to the ongoing cultural and ritual practices, which are chiefly desig
Posted by FREETHINKER7 3 years ago
FREETHINKER7
First of all, as my duty and as my clarification, i would like to take this opportunity to clarify what i really wanted to convey through my 1st and the foremost post in the round 1.
We all know that there are many factors which leads to rape, in fact it is a well known fact that factors, such as: socioeconomics, inequity in family laws, anger, power, sadism, sexual pleasure, psychopathy, ethical standards, attitudes toward the victims and evolutionary pressures, can lead to rape.The extensive list can be seen here:
" http://en.wikipedia.org...
But there are very limited articles about "can : "The unnecessary exposure of female body in televisions, pornography and other explicit media" be one of the factors of sexual assault ?
such as:
" http://www.thejakartapost.com...
Of course, if it would have been a well documented and well known fact that "Dresses and exposure are in no way ,whatsoever, related to sexual assault as either contributing or non contributing factor", then there would have been no discussion or debate over this.
We are here, debating over this topic , just to bring forward some of the realities which are not so clear . And, its a fact that this has been a topic of debate in many parts of the world and might be further continued as a topic of debate in future also.
I would like to refer to 2nd last heading before "references" :
" http://en.wikipedia.org....

Now, if the Con agrees that "can : "The unnecessary exposure of female body in televisions, pornography and other explicit media" be one of the factors of sexual assault ?
then this debate is over .
If he doesn't agrees, then please read further.
I would like to start from the statements of Con from which i disagree, and then i would bring my point.
Posted by FREETHINKER7 3 years ago
FREETHINKER7
Round 3. Part 1

I am really sorry that i could not upload my argument for round 3, due to non working internet connection from last 3 days..
so i am posting it in the comments..
and wish that Con may notice it and take it into consideration.
Posted by mrsatan 3 years ago
mrsatan
What a woman chooses to wear in no way warrants any blame being put up on them for being raped. Plain and simple, no means no, and clothes can't speak.

That said, I do find it sad that so many parents let their young daughters wear clothes that are extremely revealing, and makeup to the point of looking like adults. (Yes, I know, parents can't always stop this, but some actually encourage it.)
Posted by dawndawndawndawn 3 years ago
dawndawndawndawn
Men are expected to control themselves and not pee in their pants.
Men are expect to ALSO control themselves and not rape
Posted by SitaraPorDios 3 years ago
SitaraPorDios
First you post this here, then you post it on the other site. Rape on the brain, much? Yeah shame on victims and survivors for being raped. End satire.
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Reasons for voting decision: I know this looks like a vote bomb but I have legitimate reasons. Conduct to Con due to triple FF, S&G to Con since Pro had lots of run-on sentences which made his arguments annoying to read, arguments to Con since Pro utterly destroyed all of Pro's arguments, sources to Con since he actually used them and Pro just made a lot of unbacked claims.
Vote Placed by leojm 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: FF. And I understand the problem you might have had, but you didn't need to FF the other ones, you could have gotten some credit. :)
Vote Placed by bladerunner060 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for the multiple forfeits. S&G should be fairly obvious. Con was the only one to use sources. As to arguments: Con demonstrated that Pro's only argument (that the way women dress gives them responsibility for their own assault) was invalid. Pro would do well to research a topic before forming an opinion on it.
Vote Placed by Ameliamk1 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Better arguments from con, pro had atrocious grammar, so this one is easy.
Vote Placed by Subutai 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: All the FFs. Plus, pro's arguments were bad anyway.