Do you believe Methuselah is the oldest man in The Bible? I don't.
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People often judge The Bible by the words of men; but Jesus warned, In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mt. 15:9
How well do you know what The Bible actually says?
In Genesis 5:27, Methuselah lived 969 years. According to Bible scholars, Methuselah is the oldest man mentioned in The Bible; and if you look up his name online, you will see many sites that claim he is.
The only source I'll use or accept is a King James (commonly known as The Authorized Version) Bible; and I'll prove Methuselah isn't the oldest man in The Bible.
Mahalo nui loa for your time.
Marauder said in the comments, he wouldn't take the debate; because, he didn't know who I would argue was older than Methuselah.
He also implied that my character is not good; and I'm hiding something.
Now that Kyle has made my case, I'm challenging Marauder to refute it.
He said he would.
And Con was deliberately trying to keep the full topic of the debate from a Challengers awareness until they have already accepted and it's too late. Though this deception was rectified Pre-debate it was not of Con's lack of effort to keep it a secret. Consider this when casting a vote on Conduct.
The following is the relevant verses in question in the 3 kinds of Bible translations (thought for thought, word for word, and combination of the two)
969 is older than 365. Yes the passage does say Enoch technically did not die but that does not mean he can be considered to continue growing after God 'took him'.
Now I'm forced to point out a personal attack.
Personal attack: Your beliefs get questioned, you don't know how to respond, so you attack.
That's the way the pro began this debate. He challenged my integrity. Look at the first comment on this thread.
His first sentence explains he didn't know who I would name... then he attacked my character.
Nothing in his comment makes me believe he could think of one of the names Kyle mentioned.
But, he obviously understood my position. Check out his 2nd to the last sentence in comments.
My 2nd paragraph is a question asking, how well do you know The Bible? and the title is a question.
Kyle named 3 men in response. The pro couldn't even name one, so he attacked.
Now he's even trying to change the rules, and use 3 Bibles; and also redefine time. Enoch was born thousands of years ago by our calendar; and he never died.
Methuselah's been dead for thousands of years.
Enoch is older than Methuselah.
As for using 3 Bible's I always do this for any interested 3rd party viewers who may prefer seeing that the translations all agree, which they do. But don't ignore that I take careful effort to only base my arguments on the KJV.
Now consider this; does Methuselah have birthdays in heaven? Sure he's dead but his sole lives on. Can you say he kept ageing? Of course not. Enoch does not either even if he went to heaven without dying. The passage says he now "is not". So he 'is not' older.
And if we count our existence outside of earth as our age should it stop after we die? Technically you and I are as old as Enoch (eph 1:4)
By that same calendar in The King James Bible, Enoch is older than Methuselah.
Elijah didn't die either in 2 Ki. 2:11; so, he'd be thousands of years older than Methuselah too.
There's also the people in Mark 9:1, which Jesus said, wouldn't taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God come with power. They were alive about 2,000 years ago, never tasted death, and nothing says they are in heaven.
He did choose us before the foundation of the world. Eph. 1:4; but we weren't born before Methuselah: and we didn't live for thousands of after he was dead, the way the people who I mentioned did.
And... there's the Gentile high priest Melchisedec... who is without beginning of days, or end life. The Letter to the Hebrews 7:1-3.
Thank you con. I appreciate the tone in your last post.
Aloha nui loa
And my point is, if your going to count years after being translated into heaven, if heaven can even be considered to time in years pass in it, as part of Enoch, or Elijah's long lives, then you might as well count Methuselah's years in heaven as part of his age. sure he died to get there but he no less lives there now because of the method of his arrival.
And likewise if you get to count years in heaven as part of age the way you are counting them for Enoch's, then all of our years with God in heaven must count as part of our age, and as you yourself admitted this means our lives began before the creation of the universe itself. Making all of us the same age.
As for Mark, What Mark actually says is "till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power" (KJV). They saw this on Easter Sunday
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