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Do you believe the Declaration of Independence?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/11/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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thinkingofall

Pro

The Declaration of Independence states "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". We all know these words, they are the foundation of the country. But they carry much more weight that most want to accept. If you have ever said something like "not all societies are made to be democratic and free" or "how other countries treat women is not our problem" then you do not agree with the words of the declaration. In fact, if you have even said "those people are too backward or stupid to have a viable opinion" you are contradicting the declaration of independence.
The Declaration of Independence stated why the United States was different than previous countries because of its belief that all men were equal, no kings, rulers, dictators, oligarchies, theocracies or any other system that perceived some men as being above others.
I propose that the Declaration of Independence should become more prominent in our public and political lives today. Whether it be a domestic issue such as welfare or schooling or an international issue such as where we apply military force, the basic concept that built this country should be in the forefront.
This proposal is not a call for equality of resources, such as giving the wealth from the rich to the poor. In fact, an argument could be made that treating others more favorably contradicts the statement in itself. The Declaration of Independence states that all men are equal to pursue life, liberty and happiness, it does not guarantee success in this pursuit.
My challenge is whether the Declaration of Independence still applies today and should it be more prominent in public discourse. My position is that it should be a more prominent source of discussion in our public discourse.
Commondebator

Con

The question asks about my belief.

I do not believe in the Declaration of Independence because I do not believe it is true, or if it even is real

I win
Debate Round No. 1
thinkingofall

Pro

Since there is a copy of the document in the National Archives that you can go see, then either you believe that the document was a forgery developed by some secretive group depicted in a Disney movie or it was a hoax by the original founding fathers. I believe it's existence and authenticity have been confirmed so your argument is not valid.

As far as why you do not believe it is true, you will have to provide an argument for that.
Commondebator

Con

The question refers to my personal belief. I do not believe in the Declaration of Independence. I believe It was all an alien conspiracy made by the Manlyphones.

My opponent will have to disprove that. If he can (which he can not), he still cannot win because it is about MY belief.
Debate Round No. 2
thinkingofall

Pro

thinkingofall forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by UndeniableReality 2 years ago
UndeniableReality
@Mike_10-4
Sorry, could you elaborate on that a bit? How are unalienable rights linked to the law of thermodynamics?
Posted by Mike_10-4 2 years ago
Mike_10-4
Unalienable Rights is an outgrowth of the Constructal Law, which is an outgrowth of the Laws of Thermodynamics; therefore, part of the Laws of Nature, not man-made.
http://www.amazon.com...
Posted by Paleophyte 2 years ago
Paleophyte
The condition "a guiding document" has far too much wiggle room. CS Lewis' writings are "a guiding document" for Christianity but it'd be an odd sect that looked to them as Canon.

Kindly clarify.
Posted by thinkingofall 2 years ago
thinkingofall
The con is that they do not believe the Declaration of Independence is still a guiding document. First, on moral or political grounds. Also, there is often debate about even teaching the document because of the Creator reference
Posted by XVIII18 2 years ago
XVIII18
Still salty?
Posted by Theunkown 2 years ago
Theunkown
Screw he declaration of independence of dem 13 colonies. God save the queen, may the sun never set on the British empire.
Posted by XVIII18 2 years ago
XVIII18
What exactly is the con side to represent? That they don't believe the Declaration on moral grounds?
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Vote Placed by Zarroette 2 years ago
Zarroette
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Reasons for voting decision: Con successfully resolution sniped with semantics, so arguments to Con. Conduct to Con for Pro's round forfeit.
Vote Placed by Tweka 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: FF and Pro has not yet convinced Con to believe in the Declaration of independence. The case brought up by Con about conspiracy and not refuted at all.