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Do you still believe the myth of God?

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Started: 5/7/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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honourSagan

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argument is that, there is no argument. Idea of god itself should be sent to history and people should never talk about it. It is the shame of 21st century, shame that people still are not enough educated and open to see that reality is different. In the era where humanity should wonder about flying off to the stars, we have mass murders in the name of God? I am not just talking about Islam. Christianity had crusades, Spanish inquisition and many more similar events because God said so. Humanity should unite and think about converting planet earth to a perfect place for all its inhabitants.
Scots_167

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I accept this debate! As I am not a Christian, but shall take the stand in support of religion. I shall argue my argument next round!
Debate Round No. 1
honourSagan

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Today we have a big war in Middle East which undoubtedly religion plays a great role, also in North and Central Africa, in south-east Asia where rebels claiming obedience to ISIS kill and torture without hesitation and against all possible human morals. I can argue that same was the case when Islam started in 5th century. Same kind of atrocities was witnessed. Same is true for all other religious crimes that have been committed in the name of God. Interesting is that during all the time that humanity was existing, there was someone who claimed that can talk with the God. There was a story of someone who was born in December from a virgin woman way before Jesus Christ. When humanity did not know what is behind that mountain or what is making lightning, they all thought it is the God who created and it dependent on our actions. Then we learned that no, it is not the case. The more we learn about the nature the more God seems no where to find, more like a myth. It is actually a myth. Bible said the earth is 5000 years old, and we know it is 3.5 billion years old. Bible knows nothing about nature and how it works, how our body functions, how stars evolve and etc. Every human being should understand that they are not important in this universe, and there is no one judging or watching them. They should step from egocentric view, which religions of Abraham presents. We are lucky to be in this beautiful planet, and no one have created us, we have evolved over billions over years, and even before life started evolving on earth, the planet, star, galaxy have been formed. Universe is totally indifferent to us. The question of God is irrelevant. What relevant is, how can we give meaning to our lives? Seemingly, we have no purpose on this universe. But, we as a conscious beings, who naturally enjoys sharing, joy, communication, hard work, we can use the tools and resources we have to give better living conditions to every human and living being on earth. All the nations should unite to do this. No human should think what am a going to eat after 3 hours and how am I going to get it? It should be provided because it can be done with the technology we have. We should get read of the myths and look at the world with the tools of science. It is very clear that there is no God, and even talking about it is on the same level as talking about Greek God Zeus.
Scots_167

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Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by RookieApologist 1 year ago
RookieApologist
This is a pretty sad debate so far. No one has actually even made an argument.

And all this talk about who killed who in the name of religion (or non-religion) is totally irrelevant.
Posted by hutch976 1 year ago
hutch976
Echelius,

Obviously Christians have failed to explain to you the Faith.

We do not do "good to others" to get into heaven. There is NOTHING we as humans can do to obtain that on our own, but rather through GRACE of the Lord. Grace is being loved even though you deserve not to be. Being loved IN SPITE of being flawed and sinful.

In fact, in the LORD'S PRAYER, the most common pray shared by all Christians, we ASK God to: "Forgive us our trespasses (or debts some say), AS WE FORGIVE OTHERS". So we are saying, GOD BE AS NICE TO US AS WE ARE TO OTHERS. Emulating his Grace and undying love of the world.

This is the whole drama of the New Testament and the Old Testament. No long will following all the rules so to speak save you, God already saved you and died for you as the Paschal Lamb to atone for your short comings, and we are called to embrace Christ on His cross and to emulate his love for others.

So I hope this can being a sincere reflection of your understanding of the Christian faith, for the concept of GRACE and of the INCARNATION of the two aspects that no other religion on Earth has.
Posted by echelius 1 year ago
echelius
A major problem I have with religion (and more specifically Christianity) is that I feel like Christians are only good to others to get into heaven, while those who are non-religious do things because it is moral.
I understand that religion gives a "standard by which morality can be understood", but is religion solely responsible for moral behavior? Are those without religion inherently unethical and have no morales? I think that people can be moral on their own and don't need a 2000 year old book to tell them what's good and what's bad.

Additionally, what IS good or bad according to the bible? In Leviticus, the rules are basically 'check all that apply', and when does one rule apply (such as no gay marriage) and another (such as no cutting hair on the sides of you head) not? If you say that abortion or gay marriage is unethical, but then go get a haircut are you not undermining your "standard by which morality can be understood"? If one rule is broken, why are you not punished accordingly? Why do some take prominence over others? Why would a Christian say that abortion is wrong if they can't even follow their own rules? Why would a Christian say that someone else has to follow their rules on if they can't even follow their own?

Atheists and other religions with not such a strict moral code know what is good or bad because they have no higher incentive than to be moral. They are not trying to be good people to get into heaven. Religions that incentivize moral behavior are wrong. People are inherently moral, and beliefs that press moral behavior on their followers have no place in society.

http://www.gospeloutreach.net...
Posted by hutch976 1 year ago
hutch976
Furthermore, are you saying that the exterminations and purgings that took place in communist dictatorships (which were done for the greater good) were moral?

Hell, even the Third Reich committed their atrocities for the greater good! Was that moral? It was the "for the good of the tribe" right?
Posted by hutch976 1 year ago
hutch976
"The concept of morality", well before you turn in your outstanding thesis for publication, why don't you first define what you believe the concept of morality to be and not to be.

Because from what you just described, we have no different of a morality system than a colony of ants.

Your point especially becomes problematic when you start breaking down different moralities. Look at Christianity for example, the whole faith is founded on ironies. It preaches to help the weakest, include the outsiders and sinners and criminals of society, and to give up everything you have for others. Not for some reward, not for some personal gain, but out of pure Love. It's the opposite of survival of the fittest.
Posted by zookdook1 1 year ago
zookdook1
"there is no reason why TRUE survival of the fittest shouldn't prevail."

Theres a reason we developed theconcept of morality.

Beneficial to the tribe = Good
Neutral to the tribe = Acceptable
Bad for the tribe = Bad

And that's how morality happened.
Posted by hutch976 1 year ago
hutch976
You also have mass murder in the name of...well anything really.

Why were millions killed and tortured in Mao's China? Certainly was not for religion. How about Stalin's Russia? Pol Pot? Saddamn Hussein?

Do your tax dollars kill people in the name of religion? What does the Army of your country kill for? What did Native Americans kill each other for before Europeans came?

At least religion can provide a standard by which morality can be understood. Under atheism and moral relativism, there is no reason why TRUE survival of the fittest shouldn't prevail. So next time someone bigger and stronger than you pushes your face in the dirt for being in front of them in line, don't complain. It's the natural order. Thank goodness we don't have a silly thing like religion stopping that from happening. Right?
Posted by Epicular 1 year ago
Epicular
Exactly. Few of the people who rant against Islam forget that Christianity and other religions have caused significantly more death in the past...
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